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Anonymous's picture

mind vs brain

It seems to me there's some confusion here between brain and mind. The brain is physiological, it dies with the body. What Dickenson is talking about is Mind, big mind. It transcends our relative experience, it has no beginning or end, it has no attributes that one can ascribe to it per se. It is the pure sky against which relative reality, our lives and thoughts and passions, etc, is viewed. It isn't tainted by the relative experiences, nor is it subtracted from or added to by any experience. It is referred to as God or Buddha, etc., and cannot be understood directly by the rational mind. We participate in it and manage to create an ego around a small part of it and call it our self. If you look at the poem from this point of view it may make more sense to you.



Paul Grobstein's picture

making sense of brain/mind/Dickinson

Agree there is a potential here for confusion.  But there's another possible way to look at, different from calling the brain "physiological" and the "Mind" something else.  After all,  Dickinson actually writes about "brain," not "Mind."  Maybe the "Mind" is "physiological" too?  ie a part of the brain?  Yes, something that can't be understood/emcompassed by the "rational mind" but, if the brain includes that (what we know as "our self") and there is "room besides," then maybe the rest, beyond the "rational mind" is also in the physiological brain?  As per the image  to the right?  There is (yellow and white circles) the part of the brain that does things we're aware of, including the "rational mind," but its actually a small part of a much larger brain (the light grey region) that we're not aware of, isn't "rational" in the sense we usually use that word, but is our only conduit to the bigger world of which we are a part (the darker grey "outside").  Maybe "God or Buddha" is the "rational mind's" name for what is outside but we cannot know "rationally," because of the physiology of the brain?  For more exploration of this possibility see "Reality: Construction, Deconstruction, and Reconstruction" and Evolving Inquiry: The Unconscious as Bridging the Intellectual/Spiritual and the Academic/Personal and The Taoist Story Teller: Do We Still Need Truth, Reality, and/or God?



Anonymous's picture

Hi everyone, I have a

Hi everyone, I have a question that may sound silly, but I'm going to put it out there anyway. Is it possible to NOT be thinking anything. I mean if someone asks "what are you thinking" can one really say "nothing" and mean it?



Paul Grobstein's picture

can one "not think"?

A very interesting question, not "silly" at all.  Curious to hear about other peoples' experiences along these lines.  When one is sleeping, and not dreaming, one isn't thinking anything ... at least I don't seem to be.  And in "dissociative fugue" states, one may act apparently without thinking.  Some meditative disciplines aspire to getting to state of mindfulness that doesn't involve "thinking" in the sense we usually use that term. Kalina Christoff's lab has been doing some interesting recent brain imaging work on "mind wandering."   


Laura Cyckowski's picture

Interesting... how do you

Interesting... how do you really know if you're not thinking? Is thinking defined as activity in an unconscious part of the brain, or conscious only? For some reason, getting anesthesia was very "eery" because one second I was awake and cognizant, and then I wake up hours later. No sense of time having passed... whereas during sleep, even when I don't dream (or remember dreaming), there is always that sense of time having passed.


Paul Grobstein's picture

thinking and time: conscious and unconscious

"defined as" depends on a definer.  For me, I'm inclined to reserve "thinking" for that which one is aware of, so yes, is "conscious."  Other "cognitive" processes go on in the unconscious.  

Agree that the "time having passed" issue is an interesting one (cf Sensing Time and comments after, and Symposium: A Matter of Time).   Yes, I usually have a sense of time having passed when I wake up from sleep.  But not always.  I clearly remember times when I woke up and was surprised at time having passed.  I wonder whether that has to do with something going  on during sleep (or anesthesia) or, perhaps, has instead to do with the processes of retelling a story when one wakes up?



Anonymous's picture

it's absolutely possible to

it's absolutely possible to NOT think! that's the spirit of meditation and zen! And it's not a stupid question...It's a wise question that people have thought about for centuries.

The addiction to thought is so prevalent that we assume it's impossible NOT to think. I do it at least once a day though, but I had to work up to it, through meditation.

Would you drag around a folding chair during a walk? Of course not. Similarly, the mind should be used only when it is needed. People love to get into debates about what it means to not think, if it's truly possible, etc. But that's using the mind when it's unnecessary. Silence of thought is so liberating and peaceful. For me, I experienced a burden being lifted, by giving myself permission to enjoy the moment and quit analyzing everything.



Anonymous's picture

I stumbled on the free will

I stumbled on the free will arrows thing. If you keep going further back though, what made me choose right? the system that makes me me made that decision. i was created as me and anything that has affected the system that makes me me was also created. existing removes free will.



Anonymous's picture

research

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hi new here, just signed up

interested on how nutriton effects the brain,serotonin.



Anonymous's picture

Nice Stuff

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