Abortion and Women's Rights: Unification of Pro-Life and Pro-Choice through Feminism
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Abortion and Women's Rights: Unification of Pro-Life and Pro-Choice through Feminism
Claire Pomeroy
January 22, 1973 is a day that, in the eyes of many modern feminists, marked a giant step forward for women's rights. On this date the U.S. Supreme court announced its decision in Roe v. Wade, a verdict that set the precedent for all abortion cases that followed. For the first time, the court recognized that the constitutional right to privacy "is broad enough to encompass a woman's decision whether or not to terminate her pregnancy" (Roe v. Wade, 1973). It gave women agency in their reproductive choices; no longer were they forced to succumb to second rate citizenship as a housewife, a single mother, or a mother in poverty on account of pregnancy.
Was this decision really a step forward for women, or was it a step backwards? The abortion debate has polarized women, pitting them against each other in the binary of pro-choice and pro-life. This leads to a destructive division between women, one that is detrimental to the furthering of women's rights. How can we, as women, fight for our rights as women if we are so divided? Is there any way to unite these two apparently irreconcilable sides of the abortion debate?
A good starting place is to look at abortion from a feminist standpoint. Within feminism, the debate over abortion is not based in the morality of abortion or the integrity of people who support or are against abortion; it is about how abortion fits into our culture and how a women's choice to undergo or not undergo an abortion influences the status of women within our culture. Abortion has become a double-edged sword for women's rights. Without the right to choose women would be locked into their role as mothers, but being given the right to choose also acts to bypass the greater issues of patriarchy, such as the lack of support for women as mothers within our society. It is important, to further women's standing in today's society, that these two sides on the abortion debate become united through feminism.
Feminism is the advocacy of the rights of women based on the theory of equality of the sexes (Oxford English Dictionary). It is built on the principle that women have innate worth, inalienable rights, and valuable ideas and talents to contribute to society. Feminists fight for equality in every dimension of society, for both equal rights with men and equal respect.
Pro-choice feminism views the right to an abortion as integral to a women's right to sovereignty. Without abortion, women would unjustly be forced into motherhood. From a feminist standpoint, denying the right for women to choose to have an abortion forces them into submissive roles in society. Pregnancy works to condemn women to second class citizenship, since in our society, mothers are second class citizens. Once a woman becomes a mother, her resources to education, employment, and health care become severely limited.
Gaining the access to safe and legal abortions finally allowed a woman to have the basic right of controlling her own body. Prior to legal abortion, women had two options: to undergo an unsafe, illegal abortion that put their bodies at risk or to continue their pregnancy, even in situations that were disadvantageous to both the woman and the unborn fetus. Society has no right to control what happens to a person's body, and does not try to manage men's bodies in such a manner, so the right to abortion has equalized women by giving them the right to manage their own bodies.
Without legal abortions, underground unsafe abortions will still occur at the expense of a woman's health. Denying women the right to abortion serves to diminish women within society. There is the claim that fetus is a person and, by revoking a woman's right to chose abortion, society places more value on the fetus. From the pro-choice standpoint, the implication that an unborn fetus, which is unconscious and without thoughts, has rights equal to or superior to a woman's, serves only to diminish the recognition of women as living, breathing people who are able to consciously make their own decision about their pregnancy. Compulsory pregnancy laws also violate the traditional American ideals of individual rights and freedoms.
Pro-life groups, though often touted as anti-feminist, do not disagree with the need for women to become equals in society. Instead, the feminist pro-life groups see abortion as a mode used by patriarchal culture to keep women in submission by not adapting its structure to encompass mothers. Patriarchal culture has devised abortion as a way to manage pregnancy while maintaining its domineering structure.
The beginning of discrimination against women is based on the simple fact that they are not men. Women's bodies are defined by men through the male gaze that shapes the male dominated culture. Because of our lack of a penis, women are relegated to the periphery of society, unable to succeed. The fact that women are able to give birth only serves to continue to define women as the other. The way women can succeed is by adapting ourselves to the patriarchal society. An example of this is displayed through women's bodies. Socially, women's beauty is defined by thinness. Some sections of pro-life feminism argue that by having an abortion, women are succumbing to the social pressure to be thin; they are not embracing their womanhood. Instead of defining what a "woman" is by the standards of living as a woman, womanhood is defined by men. Pregnancy, one of the times when a woman feels most beautiful and in charge of her body and life, is discriminated against. In society, pregnancy is not considered beautiful and, through medical institutions, pregnancy has become considered to be a precarious condition that must be monitored and looked after. This serves to alienate women from their own feelings of beauty. By not embracing our bodies during pregnancy, we resort to defining ourselves in men's terms.
Not only does abortion serve to alienate women from identifying with what defines us as special, it also acts as a device that eludes the root of discrimination against women: patriarchal culture. Abortion serves as an easy escape from confronting the discrimination of women by taking the guise as fundamental to women's equality. The truth is that women's equality is still based in a man's world. In order to be equal, women must adopt the characteristics of men. To be on an equal level politically, socially and economically, women cannot become pregnant, because that is, quite obviously, something that men do not do. Our society is not made for women with children. There is a significant lack of good, reliable child care. Businesses do not have flexible hours which suit women with children. Women are still considered the primary care-givers to children, keeping the burden of responsibility for children off of men.
Instead of liberating women, abortion liberates men and society. "Abortion on demand liberates men who want sex without strings, promises, responsibility, or the rituals of romance" (Gargaro). Since abortion is an option, it enables employers to not have to make concessions to pregnant women and mothers. Abortion only serves to support the idea that childbearing is solely a job for a woman and, now more than ever, men are exempt from being involved. In the case of an unwanted child it is a woman's "duty to undergo an invasive procedure and an emotional trauma and so sort the situation out" (Greer, 95). Germaine Greer encapsulates the feminist pro-life reaction to the legalization of abortion:
"What women 'won' was the 'right' to undergo invasive procedures in order to terminate unwanted pregnancies, unwanted not just by them but by their parents, their sexual partners, the governments who would not support mothers, the employers who would not employ mothers, the landlords who would not accept tenants with children, the schools that would not accept students with children. Historically the only thing pro-abortion agitation achieve was to make an illiberal establishment [patriarchal culture] look far more feminist than it was" (Greer, 92).
What type of "right" does abortion allow? Most women choose abortion because they feel like they have no other option. How is this real choice? To continue to live happily in the patriarchal world, women submit themselves to the social structures that favor men. As society is structured today, women risk losing everything they have worked for by choosing to have a child. Childbearing, as an option for pregnancy, fits into this society in a marginalized way.
On the most basic level, the abortion issue is not really about abortion, but is about the value of women in society. Feminism is pro-woman rather than pro- or anti- abortion. This is where the pro-life and pro-choice groups can begin to relate to one another. But where can we go from here?
These two groups need to come together for the sake of equality for women. Instead of focusing their energy on protesting each other, they should unite their energy to change the structure of society. Women must work together to create a business world that supports mothers by petitioning for legislation that protects their right to work, even if they have children. Focusing energy on advocating for better, more reliable childcare would help to combat the male bias in business. We must start at the root of the problem, the lack of space for women within our society, and work from there.
Not all of the change can be made by altering the laws that govern our society. We must change our attitudes. Women must stop yielding to patriarchal society in order to succeed. We must demand from everyone around us the equality that we deserve, in both the public and private spheres. This includes pushing men to take initiative and responsibility within relationships to uphold their half of the duties. Women have moved into the workforce, so men must compensate by helping in the home. We must demand from men equal responsibility in caring for the children that they took equal part, and pleasure, in creating.
Only when this change is accomplished and when women and men do equally participate in all aspects of our society, will the abortion issue become actually about abortion within feminist thought. As for now, we have to establish ourselves as a powerful force. We must fight for the acceptance of motherhood in society, but until then we also work to keep abortion legal so that we can live without the fear that everything we have worked for, including the acceptance of motherhood and truly equal rights, could be taken away with one sexual mishap.
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Greer, Germaine. The Whole Woman. New York: Alfred A. Knopf, Inc., 1999. 91-100.
McClain, Linda C. "Equality, Oppression, and Abortion: Women Who Oppose Abortion Rights in the Name of Feminism." Feminist Nightmares: Women at Odds, Feminism and the Problem of Sisterhood. Ed. Susan Ostrov Weisser and Jennifer Fleishner. New York: New York University Press, 1994. 159-188.
Planned Parenthood Website. www.plannedparenthood.com accessed on 11/20/04
Pro-Life Feminism Website. http://members.tripod.com/~SLV80/ accessed on 11/20/04
Young, Iris. "Pregnant Embodiment." Body and Flesh: A Philosophical Reader. Ed. Donn Welton. Malden, Massachusetts: Blackwell Publishers Ltd, 1998. 274-290.
Comments made prior to 2007
Abortionby
must be left a lone. I had one in 1993. I was raped and
beaten by my then husband. I was left in a shelter for battered
woman.
No protection for me.
I learned I was pregnant during my divorce procedings. If I had
gone through the pregnency I would have been forced to have that man
another 9 months into my life.
Politic;s have no place in a woman medical prodecure. IT is non of there business ... Jeannette, 8 November 2006



Comments
Fetus' Rights
I think I'm probably the only one out there that believes a fetus is always a person, from the moment of conception. My reason for this being that people say that a fetus isn't "living." However, I would like to ask a question in return to that, "Is the fetus dead?" I believe that a fetus should be given rights at the moment of conception - whether it is considered life or not - because it already has the DNA of a person, and it also has the POTENTIAL to become life. Because of this, a fetus should have human rights during the moment of conception. I do, however believe that abortion should be illegal unless the following occur
- The woman is raped.
- The woman will die in labor
- The woman will be seriously injured due to child birth.
Thanks to the website for this article, because I'm thirteen and am doing a three to five page research paper on abortion, and this couldn't have been more helpful!
If they do not want to carry
If they do not want to carry a child for 40 weeks then they should have kept their legs closed. When you decide to have sex then your also saying you accept the consequences.
And what if the sex was
And what if the sex was forced? What if there was a problem with the birth control form used?
Don't just blame the women, think of the men. Where is their responsibility? Why are they not held accountable?
accountability
How does abortion hold the men accountable? It just allows them to get away from the responsibility of what they helped create. Abortion actually HARMS women, both physically and mentally. Pro-abortion groups have consistently fought against legislation to treat abortion like any other surgery, informing women of the risks and other alternatives. Why would they do that? Because abortion isn't really about women's rights. They don't really want her to have a choice... they WANT her to "choose" abortion, often under serious pressure from others. Women who undergo an abortion often say, "No one told me about the mental anguish I would endure." Well, of course they didn't. Because they want her to get an abortion, shut up, and get on with her life! And don't you know an abortion is what the rapist wants? He wants what he did silenced, snuffed out forever. He doesn't want anyone to ever know, and a pregnancy is a visual reminder to him and everyone else of the violence he committed. Of women who choose an abortion after rape, 80% regret it. Of those who choose life, NONE regret it. In fact, they feel that they have triumphed over the rapist-- an act of love coming from an act of hate. Rape is a serious, horrible crime, but the affects of abortion last far, far longer than the affects of rape.
how do you know
Wondering....how do you know what a rapist wants?
When you cite a statistic ("Of women who choose an abortion after rape, 80% regret it") and you don't cite a reliable source of that statistic, it comes across as propaganda.
some reading
I don't personally know what a rapist wants, if that's what you're getting at. But in every rape case that I've read or heard of, the rapists does everything in his power to get the woman NOT to tell, to keep it silent, to snuff out his act. Doesn't abortion just further that agenda? Who does abortion help more, the woman or the rapist? Many women have stated that they relived their rape on the abortion table, for many it is painful, it can result in infertility, and it increases the chance of breast cancer (). It victimizes the woman further, causes her to undergo an invasive procedure, and it does not cure the rape. What does it do for the rapist? It silences forever what he did. Do you think it would be easier for a rapist to be convicted if the jury could see actual physical evidence for what he did, in the form of a pregnant person standing before them, or if there was no visible evidence? If a rapist can feel guilt (I have no idea if they can), would they feel more guilt if they saw the woman's growing belly as a constant reminder of what they did or if they saw nothing? Wouldn't abortion possibly embolden the rapist by snuffing out all physical evidence of what he did? This is why I believe rapists want their victims to have abortions.
The 80% statistic was something I read just today, and I can't find it again-- but here is some reading to get you started. If you will really read it and think about it seriously, I believe it will challenge your assumption that abortion is the best alternative for rape victims, and possibly even challenge the basic notion that abortion is even really about women's rights:
P.S. I am a woman. I think abortion is more about men's rights than it is about women's rights. It gives women the right to have an invasive procedure that, for many, physical and psychologically scars them. It gives men the right to have unlimited unprotected sex and never have to deal with the consequences. Who gains more here? If a child is born, there are laws that will force the father to support that child for the rest of its childhood. If the woman gets an abortion, all he has to do is throw a little money at her one time and his part can be over. Is it any wonder, then, that there are more pro-choice men than there are women, and that the highest percentage of pro-choicers is among unmarried men?
Female Autonomy and Protected Lives
The clue to the Roe v Wade debate lies in the fact that no one, virtually no one, is debating that human life should be protected - not for infants (in the form of adequate paid maternal leave), or for the elderly (in the form of social security benefits and adequate affordable heath care).
Due to that negligence, it can be presumed that Roe v Wade overturning is all about returning women to their submissive status - not about the sanctity of life, and certainly, not the sanctity of life of women.
Allowing society the ability to twist and warp issues to capitalize upon isolated principles without being viewed in context is one of the things that may help to win elections but does a great injustice to society who is entitled to weigh the principles being allowed such freedom of debate.
Social clarity is required to reach valid social judgement, and unable to do so, only bad social judgement is allowed to prevail by beng taken out of context. Women allowing themselves to be pieced and parsed into parts is unacceptable, and using the bully pulpit of the Presidency to exacerbate the problem of men who prefer submissive women over female autonomy isn't an acceptable issue for winning the Presidency that is conducted as if it was a survivor show for money. Demanding more of Presidential candidates than that required of horse races through sound bytes for visible credibility is something to be cultivated, and not forgone as a waste of time.
Presidents deserve more, and democracy deserves more than to be reduced to such frivolity in a world where there is little other lawful guidance and reduced to pretentious titles for legislative credibility. Religious law was never meant to be credible as Constitutional law issued from the bully pulpit or the legislative chamber.
There is no justification for the death of a human
If its a pregnancy from rape, why kill the child and take its life for the actions of the man who did it. UNFAIR to take the life because of the crime that the father made.
If its just an unwanted pregnancy, HELLO! There is adoption. This is just ridiculous people. Every child is wanted by someone. There are so many couples in the world that would love to have a child of their own. Why not give it up for adoption by a family that wants the baby and will give it a good life. I am sick of hearing the excuse to just take the life of a baby because its better to rid the child of their life in the womb before the are born because its better that way. No i'm sorry its not. Its better to give life and adopt to someone who can support and give the child a good life.
All religious beliefs but aside. This is a human life we are talking about. At the moment of conception, when the sperm meets the egg, immediately the chromosomes match and and form 46 chromosomes which specifically is a human being, not an animal or and unknown substance or just tissue. At that very point the DNA is formed and can tell the hair and eye color of the baby.
Why does the law not allow
Why does the law not allow women two or three years to decide whether or not to keep the child? Seems strange to me that they have to decide whether or not to keep the baby alive before they have even seen it.
Abortion is wrong!! Why kill when you can save a life!
honestly abortion is very very wrong i dont even know why someone would go through with it anyways it makes me sick just thinking about it..why would you want all of the guilt on you and all the thoughts and depression!?! it makes no since to me.. why would you kill someone that God made personally for you and your family? people are so stupid if they do this. i dont think i could ever get an abortion it woukd break my heart and kill me on the inside.. i just think people need to grow up and learn some respect and think about there actions before doing them!!..
you knw tht some girls get
you knw tht some girls get raped right??? its not the girls fault somtimes some gurls really need an abortion because they might die if they get a kid. an if u send the kid to abortion it might not even have a good life if might be sad knwing he or she dosnt have parents or somthing you should think about everything not just about how ''sad" it is or watever their ARE sooo many different cases its really sad what your saying many ppl should acually put themselfs in a position like tht its not easy but then again everyone is critisising or watever it sucks oh and its not killing because its not alive yet
What about the people who are
What about the people who are raped and did not choose to get pregnant? there are a great number of them out there I myself know a few. Also what about children who have a great possibility of of having a disease that will end their life shortly after birth? You should consider things like that before you judge someones decision to get an abortion.
Many people are mixing their
Many people are mixing their own religion and the ethics behind abortion. Yes most people dont like the idea of abortion being performed on a fetus but understanding that a woman has the right to do the abortion. In the case of Roe v. Wade, it allowed women to have the right to choose to have the abortion or not and not be limited to law of the state. Abortion is legal in every state of the U.S. but every state has a form of process to make the mother understand and possibly change her mind to actually keeping the baby.
Most of the people on this page are mixing their own feelings into something that can not be generalized for everyone else. Abortion is something that must be thought of on a factual and statistical point of views to determine the proper reasoning to abortion.
Legal abortion
Many of the youth cannot remember when abortion was illegal. I do. I remember friendsand sisters, who made the difficult decision and went scared to death to go to a back alley literally and see someone who had no qualifications to get an abortion. The point is women have been taking care of themselves for years and years, that is not going to change, how they do that is the issue. Womens rights should include safe legal medical proceedures regardless of what those are. It is not about killing or morality, it is about the right to make your own decision and then to have a medically safe pproceedure by a medically trained doctor. When society accepts women as equal, when religions accept women as equal, then this discussion will be obsolete. Talk to women over 50, we all remember what it was like before abortion was legal! Abortion will never go away, the right to a safe legal proceedure should be fundamental.
Babies who not sees sunlight
We must put in our mind that abortion is a big sin and we must not practiced this. It is not right to aborted the life of the baby even though it is still inside in mother's womb. Hence, it is still fetus but it has also a life and it is give to us. I hope that their is a law will implement to put in prison for those who will caught aborting baby's life and I will look forward in this post.
Thanks
Abortion also mentally harms
Abortion also mentally harms many women who are unable to forget it.
have any of you ,who are all
have any of you ,who are all so knowingly writting, have a single one of you actually been in the position to actually have to have an abortion? or sat in a clinic and talked to and heard the stories of the women who are sitting in there? i have just had one and spoken and heard the absolutly heart breaking stories of these women, you would not beileve the reasons some people have to have them, health issues, economical reasons you high and mighty people comment and condem women for haveing to make a life changing decision we have all thought very long and very hard about what we were about to do and we made the choice that we knew down and deep in hearts would be best for us and our unborn child. some of you should really learn to look into your own hearts and think be for posting offensive and religiously biased comments.
my question is
You speak about all the sad stories of women that had abortions but my question is what is their story with regard to contraception? That is why I don't agree with abortion. There are multiple contraceptive methods and believe me they are very very effective. If they couldn't or didn't want to be pregnant why didn't they get a Depo Provera shot which is 99% effective. Rape is one thing, but is the woman is being lousy with birth control and just taking their chances and then after finding out she is pregnant is when she realizes she can't keep the child, that is extremely irresponsible.
What's best for the unborn
What's best for the unborn child? Did anybody ask the unborn child? If you did, I hardly think he would have said, "Oh yea, please go ahead and kill me...no prob".
I think there should be more
I think there should be more laws governing this sensitive debate.
If you a minor(female)you need the consent of BOTH parents.
If you are a minor(male) you need the consent of ONE parent.
If the female minor says "I dont know who the father it" and aborts the baby with both of her parents consent.........any prospecting male partners that belive THEY ARE the father and did want to keep it.....he will have the right to SUE for his loss of his unborn child.
The grandparents of the male minor will have the right to the fetus as well and may sue for their loss of their unborn grandchild.
Lets face it........there are no more Virgin Marys out there....the fetus has to come from some one.
If you an adult(female) you do not need a parental consent to terminate............you do how ever need a consent from the """other""" party provider.
If there she does not know who is the father............any male partners that belive THEY ARE the father and did want to keep it.....he will have the right to SUE for the loss of his unborn child.
The grandparents of the adult male counter part will have the right to the fetus as well and may sue for their loss of their unborn grandchild.
Concerning martial issued of abortion..........
The wife counter part must have consent to terminate by the husband.
If both parties agree then there will be no judgement between them either while married or DIVORCED(as long as both parties have agreed and signed)
Grandparents have no rights concerning married couples choices.
abortion should be illegal to
abortion should be illegal to an extent. i think each case should be taken to a judge and figured out. if you were raped, or if you could die if you have to baby, abortion should be an option. but if youre 15 years old, have unprotected sex with your boyfriend, you have to live with the consequences. if you take the chance of getting pregnant, you have to deal with what happens afterwords.
What if the woman is a girl
What if the woman is a girl who isn't even ready for a BOYFRIEND that got RAPED? Like, if someone that went to school with me (I'm in middle school.) got raped, they wouldn't be physically or mentally ready for a child! I know I wouldn't! Or, if a baby was born into a family of drug addicts! Wouldn't it be so much worse to live though the sight of your own parents high, and choking on marijauna smoke daily? Jeez, people! Or, if someone was addicted to meth WHILE they were pregnant! That would give the child TERRIBLE defects!!!
Well. . .
A woman has constitutional rights to abort a baby. Amendment 9th and 14th say there is can be no law that says you can't do something. You have the right of life, liberty, and property. Anyways, it's your own body. You can abort a baby (but for me it's wrong). The "baby" is technically still a fetus. The fetus cannot respond when outside of the womb. An actual "baby" can. See the difference? Yeah it's bad, because of your morals that the church has taught you. Have you ever heard of the metaphor in the Constitution : Wall of Seperation between the Church and State. Everyone has a different opinion, but religion has something to do with it. Think about it...
abortion
in my opinion from what have reserched you should not have sex if you know that you might have a baby and then you want to hurt the baby by getting an abortion.
their is a certain point a
their is a certain point a little before 8 weeks after conception where all your body is producing is pregnancy hormones.(so there is no physical baby to worry about). You should never have sex if you dont at least attempt to prevent yourself from getting pregnant(unless of course your trying). You should read up on the stages of pregnancy to know when the baby actually begins to exist and when it first develops the ability to think. The important part is to deal with this as quickly as possible, so I hope youve already made your decision as of what to do. (8 weeks from the time you had sex that you believe got you pregnant)
well im 17 and writting a
well im 17 and writting a letter to the senate about the FREEDOM OF CHOICE ACT which is a act basically saying it is a womans chioce weather she wants to terminate her pregnacy or not. this is a very privte thing and should be kept privte. why do some people think its okay to tell someone what to do when they HAVE NOTHING to do with it what so ever. if theres already a bill saying its the womans choice then why are some people trying to pass another one saying its not a womans choice.
I totally agree. Its our body
I totally agree. Its our body and our life.
The Baby
What about the baby? What happend to the maternal instinct to love and protect? You are supporting to kill an inocent child. So. What about the baby's "rights?!" they do not deserve any of this, and what they at least deserve is the right to be born. Protect life.
technically speaking, the
technically speaking,
the baby is not living. the supreme court chose to let them have abortions becasue of the fact that the embryo and fetus are not able to live outside the womb. therfore it is not living. so it does not have any rights. Dont get me wrong, i hate abortions but i argue for both sides.
What about their life? Who
What about their life? Who will speak for them? What if you were them? Who would dream it was your own mother (the one you would think would protect you) would be the one to choose to kill you. My heart breaks. I cannot bear the picture images on the online site search of aborted babies. HEARTBREAKING May God forgive.
Abortion in my opinion is
Abortion in my opinion is wrong for all of the reasons already expressed. the right to life is a fundamental human right as declared by the United Nations in their Universal of Declaration of Human rights; article 3.
once you have made the decision to have intercourse you have made the decision that you are ready to accept all of the consequences that come with it. therefore if you cannot handle a child at the moment do not engage in actions that can result in a pregnancy. there are alternatives to sex.
If abortion is going to be legal then i think it should remain separate from the healthcare system, meaning if you want an abortion you pay for it yourself instead of it having government funding.
IVF
I wonder why no one is up in arms about women who have IVF done and destroy the test tube babies (6 day old embryo). After a while they need to be disposed of and the woman has a couple of choices: dispose of them, donate them for stem-cell research, or donate them to an infertile woman. Is it not a woman's choice to decide how many children she wants? Suppose she has 8-10 viable embryos ready to implant-- is she to subject herself to being pregnant 10 times and having 10 babies? Is she required to donate all of her (and her husband's) genetic material to another person who will raise a child that is genetically hers? That would create some pretty complicated situations, I'm sure.
Also, if life begins at the moment of conception why is God spontaneously aborting all these babies, why is he causing miscarriages, why does he create non-viable pregnancies which then have to be aborted?
"It is estimated that up to half of all fertilized eggs die and are lost (aborted) spontaneously, usually before the woman knows she is pregnant. Among those women who know they are pregnant, the miscarriage rate is about 15-20%. Most miscarriages occur during the first 7 weeks of pregnancy. The rate of miscarriage drops after the baby's heart beat is detected." http://www.nlm.nih.gov/medlineplus/ency/article/001488.htm
I guess it's ok if God does it!
God must be there in the IVF office when scientists are inserting the sperm into the egg-- the sperm that has been weeded out as the strongest and the egg that has also been deemed the strongest.
We're dealing with science here, people. The bible is not a biology text book.
I agree
I agree with you 100%. If God is all knowing, all powerful, and all good, why would 'he' allow spontaneous abortions to occur in the first place? Certainly makes you wonder...
I don't agree with you
Then what about rape,incest,or other cases that men force women to have sex?
Against abortion
This is what I can't stand, people always try to justify abortion by saying what about incest and rape, if you look at the statistics, the percentage of women getting abortions in those circumstances is extremely low. In most cases, they keep the baby. In reality, the majority of women who are getting abortions are those who refuse to take any responsibility for their actions and neglect to use protection or birth control. I don't care what the Supreme Court deems as living, it is a life at the moment of conception, therefore it's quite clear that abortion is murder. It's not about an issue of women's rights over her body and pro-choice nonsense because NOBODY has the right to take the life of another, makes me sick. You know what's hilarious? Everyone says its not a life until it's born yet if someone was to murder a pregnant women, it is considered a double homicide. The law is so ridiculous, people pick and chose when a life matters or not.
Everyone says its not a life
Everyone says its not a life until it's born yet if someone was to murder a pregnant women, it is considered a double homicide. The law is so ridiculous, people pick and chose when a life matters or not.
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The difference is the woman's intention. Let's say a woman is 8 months pregnant and gets murdered. At 8 months it seems likely that she is intending to give birth to the child. Her life and the life of her child was taken without her choice or consent. I don't find that hilarious at all. If a woman chooses to have an abortion it's totally different—-she is in control of her body and what happens to it. Before 5 months a fetus cannot live outside of the womb, and no the fetus cannot consent or choose or defend itself, but if we go by this logic then animals living on factory farms cannot defend their lives either so why isn't it illegal to murder cows and chickens? Who said humans are the most important life on the planet anyway?
What I wonder is, why do the unborn have superior rights over a woman or girl? Also, if a woman decides not to have an abortion and is a single mother, does she have any additional support from society? Or do we only care about her when she's carrying an unborn child. Suppose she's one of those alleged "welfare queens" collecting checks for more babies— are those unborn lives still so sacred?
I believe all living things are sacred; animals that are actually birthed and living outside the mother's uterus. That includes all people, all races, all religions. (In addition to all of god's other creations.)
Ok, most reported rapes do
Ok, most reported rapes do not result in pregnancies, so the majority of women having abortions are women who feel that is their only option. I was one of those women. I was not raped, however; I was old enough to have known better, but I was naive enough to think I wouldn't end up pregnant. I have been pro-choice since I was a teenager, and my opinion has not changed in over 15 years. Having an abortion was a hard decision to make and to this day I still believe it was my only decision. Not all women have to capability or the option of carrying a child to term, and quite frankly in my opinion, asking a woman to carry a child to term, watch and possibly despise the changes happening to her body, (because remember she HAS TO HAVE this child), force her to deliver a child and then raise a child she does not and did not want or give the child away is more damaging than having an abortion. It has been almost 6 years since my abortion and I still believe it was the right choice for me and I do not regret my decision.
According to the seven
According to the seven characteristics of life a fetus is a human, there is no reason anyone should be permitted to kill an innocent being.
au contraire, mon amie..
4. Living things respond to their environment: a fetus is not responsive for the first few weeks of its development.
6. Living things reproduce: the fetus is incapable of reproducing, as it is still part of a process of reproduction.
do we call a handful of acorns a forest?
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4. What about someone who is in a coma?
6. Post-menopausal women do not reproduce. Are they no longer human?
Hmm..
I find that it is ok to have an abortion in general. Because think about it, Its not even a baby yet.... its still a cell. I wouldnt be guilty to have an abortion. Cause think of all the shit u gotta go through with the baby, not to mention if u gave that baby up... that child will be emotionally upset of being an oprhan. Also, the population of the world is huge. Its probably better off without another human being in the world.
dont agree with you
listen to yourself you sound stupid...Its not okay to have abortion your killing an innocent baby who did nothing to you.. If you know your not ready to have a baby dont have sex..
Giving up a child emotionally scarring at birth??
As a child who was given up for adoption from having a mother who was too young to care for me I AM NOT emotionally scarred in any way shape or form.. Aside from the factor that newborns in foster care are easily adopted its the kids that get put in at 5-6 years old or whatever age that have trouble being adopted.. If you think you are grown enough to have sex then you are assuming the resposibility to care for a child.. YOU KNOW WHAT CAUSES KIDS!!! Use common sense be abstinent or be prepared!! As a 19 year old mother, I was pregnant at 17 and I am not a proud SINGLE mommy of a 13 month old son, I knew what would happen if I had sex and I chose to do it, so when that test said I was pregnant I knew it was time to grow up and accept the consequences for my actions, and I wouldn't have it any other way
Great to have a choice
I am pro-choice and think that you miss the point of the abortion debate. No one thinks it is an easy way out. Everyone lives with the "consequences" of their decisions or actions but although I am not pro-life I take issue with people calling children (or potential children) Consequences. I have had an abortion and I have a child. I am single and I thank god I was born somewhere I had the choice for either. If we were in Afghanistan as unmarried pregnant woman, we would be stoned to death (a bad day for all involved- let a fetus survive that). Don't look down your nose at others who made different choices. Value your rights by respecting the rights of others.
On another note; Not all baby orphans are adopted, would you adopt a baby of a different race? How about one with Downs? AIDS? Be honest! Ok then, now go do it! Lets clear out those orphanages! Pha-lease people! Be serious!
“Its not even a baby yet....
“Its not even a baby yet.... its still a cell.” According to Planned Parenthood most abortions are done at or before 12 weeks gestation and that “it” doesn’t become a baby until “after birth when it takes its first breath.”
So let’s look at what exactly it is that’s being aborted.
Within the first 4 weeks the brain, spinal cord, heart and other organs start to form.
At 6 weeks bone, external ears, salivatory glands and tooth buds begin forming. Blood forms in the liver and is then pumped through the heart to the rest of the body. Brain waves can be detected as early as 6 weeks and 2 days.
At 7 weeks the heart has four chambers, is nearly complete and beats about 167-175 times per minute. The fingers and toes are fully separated and he/she will move her arms and legs. She can now hiccup and has a startle response. Ovaries will appear in females.
At 7-7 ½ weeks leg muscles become attached to bone by tendons and knee joins appear.
At 7-8 weeks the eyelids grow rapidly and fuse together. The diaphragm muscle is complete and the embryo will begin intermittent breathing motions. The kidneys produce urine and in males the developing testes start to produce and release testosterone. At this point 75% of embryos show a right hand preference.
At 8 weeks and 2 days the red blood cells deliver oxygen to the body and collect carbon dioxide. The embryo will touch his face, turn his head, squint, open his jaw, make grasping motions and point his toes.
By the end of 8 weeks an embryo has gone from a single cell to almost 1 million cells. It now has 4000 distinct structures and has more than 90% of the structures found in an adult. The heart will beat about 7 million times while it is still classified as an embryo.
By the time it has reached 12 weeks it will yawn, make facial expressions, suck its thumb, respond to light touch and possibly even have bowl movements.
By the way: it is only a cell for about the first 24-30 hours after fertilization then it divides and becomes a bunch of cells. You and I are also nothing but a bunch of cells.
http://www.ehd.org/index.php Educate yourself!
but. it cant feel pain.
i would like to point out that the majority of scientific studies support the fact that a fetus cannot feel pain until 24 weeks; some are earlier, stating that 20 weeks is the point in which they can feel pain. is a fetus really a human if it can neither think, nor feel?
So what if they still can't feel?
If a fetus doesn't feel pain until 24 weeks, does it mean that we should discriminate or get them out of the world, and get the opportunity out for them to live? And for me, fetus, even if they still can't feel or think, are still humans. They're humans because they're going that way!. Their DNA is already there and it is completely human.
In the eyes of the Above, they have rights. They have the right to be given the opportunity to live. They have every right to live- every living organism has. Even if they can't feel, I just feel like they do have, especially after aborting. Just put yourself as the unborn child aborted? What will you feel that your mother aborted you?
The common reason for abortion is that they can't sustain and give the best to the child. For me, so what?. I mean-just by carrying that baby inside your womb for 9 months, with the sacrifices you have just to see to it that the unborn child will be healthy, and by giving birth to that- I think, one has given the best to the child. As long as you give that child all your love, even though you can't give him/her all she WANTS but as long as you try your best to give him/her all he/she NEEDS, It's the best gift you can give to the child.
No offenses..
pain
I just want to point out that babies CAN feel pain from 10 weeks on. Videos of babies being aborted have proven this by explicity showing the baby trying to escape from the abortion instruments when being prodded by them.
It's totally horrific.
In what year was this essay
In what year was this essay written ?
Don't agree with abortion?
Don't agree with abortion? Don't have one. All of you religious fundamentalist sound so goopy with all you talk of the "baby" . Until a certain gestational age it's tissue. Couldn't survive outside the womb-not a cute, cooing baby. What about all the poor sperm men waste on a daily? Go bark up their tree. I know it makes you uncomfortable but try not to judge what you are unable to understand.
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