The Science of Homosexuality

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Homosexuality is an issue that has sparked tumultuous debate in the United States, and has been brought to the forefront in the last fifty to sixty years. While the legal and social implications has captured the attention of the media, the lingering question of biology remains at the core of the debate. Is it possible that one is born with the characteristic of being homosexual, or is it solely a learned behavior embedded in cultural norms? Researchers since the nineteen-fifties have studied homosexuality in a variety of ways, through genetics, animal behavior, and even birth order. While few have come to a conclusive answer, important progress has been made since the time homosexuality was merely considered a mental disorder that could be cured.

In the March 2004, Health and Medicine Week, research findings from the study of homosexuality in rams was published. Scientists at Oregon Health and Science University School of Medicine had looked at the biological foundations of a male sheep's homosexuality. They used the animals since they had been consistently and thoroughly studied in the past, and provided for a controllable experiment. They studied the oSDN, "an irregularly shaped, densely packed cluster of nerve cells in the hypothalamus of the sheep brain." The hypothalamus is an important part of the brain that regulates body temperature, blood pressure, as well as sexual behavior. Researchers found that the ovine sexually dimorphic nucleus (oSDN) was larger and contained more neurons in male- oriented rams (1). This information is important in several different ways. While it is solely a study on ram behavior, it is believed that homosexuality can be found in many different species, not limited to humans. This is also important because it is the first study to show a relationship between variations in sexual partner preference and brain structure in an animal, which could provide insight into how humans are studied and what should be looked for in humans to unlock the clues of biological causes of homosexuality.

While the rams are an interesting case study, there are also research findings directly relating to humans. The prenatal hormone theory is a provocative explanation of the link between biology and homosexual tendencies. It is based on the idea that hormones can affect a fetus in the womb and can influence brain development. Studies on the neuroendocrine function in homosexuality has shown that while levels of testosterone and estrogen do not typically vary along the lines of homo and heterosexuality, it is one's response mechanisms to these hormones that can play a role in sexual orientation. It is far too basic to attribute homosexuality with a lack of testosterone in males and a lack of estrogen in women, and many studies have negated this idea. However, the central nervous system, which mediates behavior and physiological responses, can be heavily affected by the level of hormones present (2).

It is also believed that birth order has a direct relation to whether or not one is gay. It is possible that a woman's fetus builds up certain antibodies in her first pregnancy, if it is with a male, to male antibodies, and these affect the development of male fetuses in subsequent pregnancies (4). For each older brother, humans are believed to be approximately 33% more likely to be homosexual. In other studies, it has been found that homosexuals are 39% more likely to be left- handed than heterosexuals (3).

Biological study of sexual orientation is not without its flaw. It has been criticized in the scientific world for reducing the subject to simplistic sides of homo and hetero sexual behavior. Simon LeVay is a scientist who has published extensive research on the difference in biology between homo and heterosexuals. In Science magazine in1991, Thomas A. Schoenfeld writes about his work and the faults he finds with LeVays work. Schoenfeld states that biology cannot always be viewed as something that runs against social environment and upbringing, "It is all too common to see early experience, social learning, or choice pitted against biology, but these are false dichotomies" (5). Rather it is the genetic and biological traits that lead to predisposition towards certain behavior characteristics. This approach allows for the biological factors in homosexuality, without limiting the subject to exclusively culture or biology.

All of the research that has surfaced in the past century reflects an interesting pattern of social acceptability of homosexuality. What was once thought of as a negative and controllable defect, is now recognized and embraced by many. While society is far from fully accepting homosexuality as a cultural norm, it has entered the public sphere as a subject worthy of discourse, rather than feared and ignored. It is in this sense that scientists are able to invest more of their time and money into researching homosexuality. In addition, the study of homosexuality itself both in its cultural causes and social effects, such as AIDS, depression, gender roles, marriage laws, has gained world wide attention. The research presented is far from conclusive, and generally generates more questions than it answers. It is uncertain whether or not humans will truly understand the relationship between nature and nurture and the intricate balance of biological or genetic effects and learned cultural behavior. After seeing some of the evidence about biological theories of homosexuality, I am not completely convinced of researchers conclusions. However, I do believe that it presents the interesting point that one cannot consider homosexuality to be a purely psychological or behavioral characteristic, completely disregarding any evidence of biological or genetic influence. After all, in our society, where in some places homosexuals are treated with little respect, and often times, are met with hostility, why would one choose to be gay?

Works Cited

1) "Biology is Behind Homosexuality in Sheep, Study Confirms." Health and Medicine Week (2004): 422. ProQuest. Bryn Mawr College Canaday Library. 25 Sept. 2006 < t=3&clientId= 42764&RQT=309&VName=PQD>.

2) Diamant, Louis. Male and Femal Homosexuality: Psychological Approaches. Cambridge: Hemisphere Corporation, 1987. 129-153.

3) Kristof, Nicholas D. "Gay At Birth?" New York Times (2003): a19. ProQuest. Bryn Mawr College Canaday Library. 24 Sept. 2006 <http://proquest. /pqdweb ?did=430686171&Fmt=2&clientId=42764&RQT=309&V Name=PQD

4) Levay, Simon. "The Biology of Sexual Orientation." Homepage of Simon LeVay. Feb. 2006. 25 Sept.2006 < /page22.html#_Brain _stud ies%97function>.

5) Schoenfeld, Thomas A. "Biology and Homosexuality." Science 254 (1991): 630. JStor. Bryn Mawr College Canaday Library. 25 Sept. 2006 <http://links.js 0036-8075%2819911101%2 93%3A254%3A503 2%3C630%3ABAH %3E2.0.CO%3B2-9>.


Divine's picture

there are no gay animals

Why does lgbt keep saying there are gay animals when there isn't? Why do they insist there is a "gay gene" when there isn't? Why isn't there a homosexual monority in ANY ancient culture? Hmm its also very interesting that the historicity of homosexuals seems to begin in western society some 150 years ago. Why do they consider themselves promoters of love when they become so hostile against anyone that has a different opinion than thiers? Being discriminated against shouldnt be an excuse when I'm discriminated against in the same way by gays & thier supporters, hypocrites using homophobia as a label against anyone disagreeing with them. Homophobia is a fear of gays nobodies scared of you clowns

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You're wrong.

First of all you are seriously mistaken if you think being gay is a choice, why would people choose to be taunted and abused. second you know why people get so hostile about this subject, it's because being told who you can and cannot love is fucking ridiculous. How angry would you be if you had multiple people a day telling you that you are not allowed to be with your significant other just because they didn't believe in your relationship, you can bet your ass you would be pissed off about it. lastly the only reason history shows it coming up just 150 years ago is because people were scared to show anyone who they were, they were scared that they would be harmed because of who they were, because being different is so weird and telling everyone just how different you are is probably the scariest thing ever. try not being so narrow minded.

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this is so true! 1

this is so true! 1 corinthians 1:9-10...9 Or do you not know that wrongdoers will not inherit the kingdom of God? Do not be deceived: Neither the sexually immoral nor idolaters nor adulterers nor men who have sex with men[a] 10 nor thieves nor the greedy nor drunkards nor slanderers nor swindlers will inherit the kingdom of God.

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Please understand

Actually homosexuality has been going on for 1000s of years, they even have old torture devices they used during medieval times if your gay. You are born gay, and by what you are saying, you are basically telling the scientist that they are wrong. If you choose to be gay, why are there so many suicides from being gay? Wouldn't the person change there sexual intentions to something else if they could? There are many questions to be awnesered about this subject but no matter what, they still proved that it is in animals.

I for one am homosexual, did not choose to. I have been depressed for a very long time and do not accept that I am. Even though I may have sexual interactions to males, I for one will never marry a male or have any relations. I don't like being a homosexual but I have to deal with it. Homophobes are human beings that are profoundly afraid of homosexuals, but the term yes is used loosely. I do not label a person homophobe unless they are actually scared, but what I call people like you are small minded, hypocritical, bigoted, prejudice, ass holes.

I would never judge any one by the way they where born, and you may just brush this off your shoulder. But please listen, I would give anything to be a heteralsexual. Trust me I am in depression, and please just understand, or just give it a thought. If you are religious, and that is the reason for hating homosexuals then that is your belief but if this accusation is based just by your opinion, then please just think and try to understand what homosexuals are.

If they chose to be a homosexual then why is there the term "hiding in the closet". That term is used because they don't like it and do not want people to know because they are afraid of not being accepted, so please.

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O animals?

Homosexuality is found in over 1500 different species of animals. Please just educate yourself.

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I'm not sure why I'm even

I'm not sure why I'm even bothering right now, but showing off your ignorance isn't the best way to advocate your case. It has been scientifically proven that homosexuality exists in animals, and if you choose to ignore facts for your own comfort then good for you. There have been records of homosexuality as far back as Ancient Egypt, which doesn't really seem like 150 years ago.

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Hi Don't show off your ignorance. Looks like somebody is not up to date with credible science? How do you believe that homosexuality was "Scientifically" proven ?? Properly speaking, homosexuality does not exist among animals.... For reasons of survival, the reproductive instinct among animals is always directed towards an individual of the opposite sex. Therefore, an animal can never be homosexual as such. Nevertheless, the interaction of other instincts (particularly dominance) can result in behavior that appears to be homosexual. Such behavior cannot be equated with an animal homosexuality. All it means is that animal sexual behavior encompasses aspects beyond that of reproduction, as for the egypt claim I'll have to look into that but that misses my point.

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I disagree, I've witness my

I disagree, I've witness my dog (a male) engage in sexual activity with another dog of the identical gender. Not to mention this seem to satisfy him completely.

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The heart has straight lines and curved lines.

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Self Defeating

I really don't care one way or another who wants to do who as long as they keep it to themselves. I don't go around saying that people need to accept me because I'm straight and I'd like them (GAYS) to extend the same courtesy . Please don't march in those ridiculous parades acting like children who should be on some kind of medication. Act like grown ups who are trying to get your message out. Whatever that message is now I don't know , since you've already gotten what you've asked for. I don't support gays because of my up bringing and Christian values, and that's my right, just as its your right not to support straight people. As my husband says It really doesn't matter as they are self defeating in a way because they can't reproduce. I will say though that It needs to be looked into in the science field a bit more than it is being though. We need to find out what is causing this abnormality and fix it. This may just be the tip of the ice berg and may progress to something more damaging down the line where everyone born has this whatever it is that's making people gay and the population dwindles down to none. I always like to have answers to things that don't seem quite right. Man was made to reproduce. Somewhere down the line things have screwed up. What I cannot answer, but I sure wish they'd find out soon.

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the science of homosexuality

Some people are caught, show their ignorance by speaking.

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You Are Not Christian

I know that many people have already replied to this message, but as a Pastor's daughter who has a girlfriend, I feel the need to contribute.
Firstly, heterosexuality has always been what society considers 'normal'. You do not need to defend yourself at almost every opportunity. When you go to church, you are not told that you're going to hell. You aren't in danger of being physically hurt because of the fact that you're happy. The parades are not ridiculous; we don't have rights yet in most states. In many states, in fact, I could be fired because of the fact that I have a girlfriend.
Secondly, you don't have to support gay people. That is your right. However, it is not your right to go to a page explaining the science behind it and say that it is an abnormality. It is definitely not your right to say that we are just acting out.
Thirdly, your faith (if you are, in fact, a Christian) is BASED on the idea of loving everybody, despite their failings or sins or what have you. You cannot claim to be a Christian and discriminate. In fact, in the Bible itself there are only 2 verses that even mention it by name, and 3 that reference it at all. In the Bible there are approximately 31,000 verses. If you look at the affirmation of slavery throughout the Bible, there is almost no comparison at all, and yet we've disregarded that. Furthermore, two of those three verses are in Leviticus, a book that is obsolete with the death of Jesus Christ. Only Paul referenced homosexuality in the New Testament. Jesus himself never said a word about it. As some others commented below, homosexuality may even be mistranslated. I would not be surprised.
If homosexuality is really abnormal, then why has it been in existence since the human race began? I see God's hands all over my current relationship. I only realized I liked her after praying to Him and asking why I have trouble developing romantic feelings towards people. Less than a week later, I started to date her.
Also, your husband's belief that man was created to reproduce is false and frankly medieval. Humans were created to use our gifts to glorify God, not to reproduce.
I'm sorry if I caused offense, but I believe you need to re-evaluate your faith.

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you are not a christian

i do have to say it is people like you that are killing a belief system that i love, lets get this right, there is a vast difference btwn what God decrees and what society craves, the word of God is specific wether it was said once or a million times, homosexuality is a no no, but here comes the twist we live in the world of man and we are gorvened by man on this earth, so homosexuality has been put in law that it is normal this however does not make it normal, it is a preference that should be kept in the bedroom end of.take religion out of it you will find homosexuality serves no purpose to humanity besides just being a preference outside the realms of natural human behaviour. point is love your girlfriend and be happy but please do not justify it by calling it natural or right in the eyes of the lord it is just what you like period....when the day comes that two people of the same sex can produce a child or a gay man can carry a baby in their belly then by all means you shall be normal........LEAVE GOD AND NATURE OUT OF YOUR LIFESTYLE CHOICE FOR THATS ALL IT IS A LIFESTYLE CHOICE

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being gay

To tell a the truth,I believe I was born gay for I was very you in grade school and I had some kind of attractions towards.the same sex,I didn't understand the felling until junior high,but I was raised a Christian so that was a sin athat hell fire if Jesus finds you doing such things so,I quinched it and when I was older I married a man and I tried God knows I tried but him getting in trouble and always in jail and his neglect me and our kids I despise him,and kicked him to the curb and found me a lady friend and she and were together for 18 years it was the best thing I ever.did, I know God was with me she I live well and she left me after the kids was grown she left because she became mentally ill and just left.but I don't regret it.

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Re-evaluate Your Faith

Christianity is only based in Christ. (Hence the name) That is it. Jesus said that the greatest commandment was that you love God with all your heart, soul, and mind. The 2nd was that you love your neighbor as yourself. He didn't abolish the law, but He came to fulfill it. He never said anything about homosexuality because it didn't bear talking about. People inherently knew that it went against natural law. (Even though promiscuity and open homosexuality were practiced unabashedly in Rome) Paul addresses it several times as a sin. I know it may make you angry: I think you know in your heart that you are only trying to justify your lifestyle. Please evaluate your own faith.

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Regarding (your not Christian)

Man was created to reproduce read Genesis 1:27-28

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That is understanding of you

That is understanding of you to "allow" others the privilege of saying what they can and cannot to whoever they want to. It is obvious that heterosexuals do not need to share their heterosexuality with the world because heterosexuality does not trigger a problem in society. Homosexuality does trigger a problem as can be seen by your own reaction to people "sharing" that they are homosexual or not. You are as equal as the next person; you may think that you have a voice in telling people what they can and cannot do in their lives but you do not. You can only be on the sidelines and have an opinion that can go in someone's ear and go out the other within a second. I like how you acknowledge the fact that everyone has a right to an opinion, but keep in mind that you do not have a right as a citizen to have any type of authority whatsoever to prevent people from accessing their first amendment right--in this case the freedom of speech to be specific. I also love the establishment clause because it reminds people like you that church and state are separate and therefore your religious upbringing does not provide you with any more right than a non religious person to command what people can or cannot do. If homosexuality is an abnormality, then lying with someone of the opposite sex is also an abnormality. How can two totally different species be interested in one another being so different? They act differently, think differently, speak differently, dress differently, and carry themselves differently--did I mention they are completely different? Oh, but two people of different races seemed abnormal, two people of different religions seemed abnormal, and two people of the same sex seems abnormal? Oh, but two different species are automatically waived just because an edited book states it. Well my religion, history, states that homosexuality extends back to ancient times, therefore it must not be an abnormality. Go tell the ancient townships and cities who approved homosexuality that they were abnormal. I would love to see how that would turn out.

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Nice wann

You should go into politics my friend, that could not have sounded more straight forward and honest at all..

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If you don't have anything nice to say, keep your mouth shut

Gays march in parades to celebrate their freedom of expression in this country. If you don't like watching human beings embracing their well earned happiness, turn the channel. We haven't got what we've asked for actually, many of my gay friends along with myself experience homophobia mainly from men today. Our country is already overpopulated, if anything we are doing the Earth a favor by not using up even more natural resources. Why don't you deliver that message to your husband! There is no mistake for our existence and there is a reason why our gene has continued to be carried throughout human history. Why the fuck would we still be here? Maybe you should do some more research before you spread your so called Christian "faith" onto others. GOODBYBE

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You will go to hell

believe that liars will go to hell if they do not repent. I believe that swindlers, arrogant people, abusers, selfish people, manipulators and gamblers will all go to hell if they do not repent. In other words, all of us will go to hell if we do not repent of our sins. There is no difference (Romans 3:10-12). I will acknowledge that homosexuality carries some special issues with it, but in the end, there is no significant difference in how God will deal with one kind of sinner than another. - See more at:

Serendip Visitor's picture

Many of those parades are in

Many of those parades are in moral by any means. There one thing about any body being homosexual but why show everyone how you are able to bare all in front of crows.

My dear, homophobia will not be last bad experience you will suffer in this world; any one is exposed to different types of fear throughout one's life.

You are right in the fact that homosexuality if been around since probably the beginning of time.

Also consider this, The sexual intercourse is a selfish act promoted by nature to make you pro create. It does not matter how much you give yourself to your partner (homo or hetero) to give love ( or so) at the end, your pleasure is yours alone.

There nothing wrong with loving a person of the same sex gender the problem arise when there is more than hugging involve.

Breaking the norm imply that society is allow to break all rules of conduct and therefore anyone can live by her or his own rules of engagement and the is very dangerous for all of us as society if we want to live in piece.

When you are born, you really only have one right. To be Free. Let's not complain where there are children having less than one meal per day, men and women not having descent jobs, people getting killed like insects, etc, etc.

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Homosexuals would have no

Homosexuals would have no need to go around saying that people need to accept them if people actually did accept them for who they are and actually did not reject them from full societal interaction.
Heterosexuals have never as a group been rejected from society and so have never had to campaign for acceptance.
What you are saying is that you want a world in which homosexuals have no need to campaign for acceptance.

You ask us not to march in our "ridiculous parades". Do you ask the same of the Irish on St Patrick's day? Do you ask the same of the participants of any one of the many other parades that occur?
Here's a list of the US based ones for you to double check your responses against:

You claim that gays cant reproduce. You are wrong, misinformed and delusional on that front. 20% of gay men are fathers and for lesbians the percentage is even higher.
We can reproduce using IVF (with or without complex laboritories & equipment, a cup and a turkey baster will do the job). There are millions of kids being raised by their homosexual parents all over the world.
They may not be reproducing in the old fashioned way of engaging in a heterobonk at a serendipitous fertile moment, but they ARE reproducing.

You say that you need to find out the cause of what YOU diagnose as an abnormality. I would like to remind you that for a quarter of a millenium you had every opportunity to do just that in both Europe & later in North America.
250 years of gays being locked up in lunatic asylums and experimented on at the whims of the Christian population. Prodded, poked, drugged, castrated, electrocuted, surgically altered.
All to no avail. 250 years of "Finding out the cause & seeking a cure" and all you came up with was an ASSUMPTION that something was wrong and only ONE proven way of halting homosexual urges: castration, which is a breach of their human rights.


Your hatred, driven by the teachings of your church is what will be cleared and eradicated from this planet. Human beings should be treated like human beings.

Remember: your Christianity is a choice. It is not a physical characteristic, it is not genetic, it is not hormonal, it is not a structural aspect of your physical being. It is a man made religion, like many others, and you selected it and chose it.
When your faith puts you in fundamental breach of human nature and human kindness, then your faith becomes a problem that needs solving or eradication.

There is nothing wrong with homosexuality. There is everything wrong with hating homosexuals.

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I couldn't help but applaud

I couldn't help but applaud your brilliant and marvelous remark. I was so impressed how you managed to make it this powerful without a single exclamation mark, so enlightening without having to quote God or the Bible, yet so profound without challenging my vocabulary.

It has been baffling me since the first time Marriage was associated with religions, or more precisely, said to be a part of the sacred Christianity.

Now, let's suppose this is true, in whose case if we go through the historical documents, it should have been impossible to find marriage or equivalent forms of union prior to the first appearance of the Bible. In Chinese civilization, the nation's first culture hero in legend and mythology, Fu Xi, was actually recorded "married to Nvwa" in historical documents, and that went all the way back to the 2800s-2700s BCE, approximately 1200-1500 years before Bible was even written, and their domestic union marked the commencement of the Chinese Civilization, at the same time, disavowed the authority Christian claimed to have over “Holy Matrimony”. As a matter of fact, marriage has always been a extinct element of the entire human race, the only way to legally and socially found a family. Men and women of full age, without any limitation due to race, nationality or religion has the right to marry and found a family. The above quotation is the Article 16 of the Universal Declaration of Human Rights published by the UN. It is universally acknowledged that marriage is neither the blessing of any religion nor the invention of any culture. It is one of the few fundamental and unalienable rights naturally received by each human being upon birth. Through out the glories and advancing in history, marriage has survived 2 despicable World Wars, 21 centuries, hundreds of empires, thousands of amendment, numerous eras of survival, countless waves of revolutions, and is still the synonym of love and family. I believe it’s only a matter of time for it to arise from fear, ignorance, discrimination, and reconceptualization. After all, what on earth can be harsh and spiteful enough to break the coalition of humanity and empathy, especially when it is incubated in the name of LOVE?!

Why do gay people have to restlessly fight for a right everyone else inherits effortless, and why do gay people have justify the rest of the world for the opportunity and approval to have a home? Why is it not even up to me to choose a person I vow to stand by, in good times and in bad, in sickness and in health?

Apart from abnormalising it by magnifying one of the many qualities that define an individual, namely sexual orientation, which to me seems no less important than movie loving, coffee drinking, biographies reading, violin playing, I really couldn't think of any other justification other than intentional segregation and degrading. Intentional segregation and degrading of a certain group of people. It struck me that I came across this term reading documents about a few events in human history, one is said to have lit the fuse of the WW II, one is believed to have caused the explosion of American Civil War, one is claimed to inspire Martin Luther King Jr. to draw up the draft of "I Have a Dream".

Then, why do we push the hard earned progression back a good 7 decades and push our own species onto the same gallows? And who is the one to decide I don’t deserve to fall in love and update my marital status like everyone else? Why did they make my love feel so shameful, and instead of petals and laughters, why did they carpet my wedding with thorns and tears?

To whoever makes an effort to belittle my love, I challenge you, if love is so great and beautiful, then why did you make me feel mine so disgraceful and ugly?

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I swear I couldn't have said it better myself! U gave a very rude hateful woman an educated well spoken response to her very rude comment she made without stooping to her level! I must say it made me angry reading her comment and then yours made me smile reminding me how proud I am to be homosexual and how intelligent we are as people. Thank you for that! It was beautiful!

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"Human Beings" deserve to be treated like human beings. Implying human beings deserve a fucking cake wake life where no one gets hurt. The difference between you and me is I don't mind getting discriminated against for what I believe in especially if its arbitrarily defined as hate. Your society redefined love, marriage and hate to cater to its screwed up narsicism. You create concepts like sexuality as a comfort blanket for your mental disorders not just homosexuality but all your disturbing forms of sexual behavior. Your culture has destroyed families and broken the spirit of man. I see the levels of depression and suicide on rise because of the hopelessness you create. And you think you're immune from the suffering hahaha. You will experience the darkness, loneliness and deep saddness. You jump around at your parades acting all giddy like life is just some careless experience that you don't have to come down from. You will face death, loss, disease and mundane days like the rest of us. You're not special and neither am I. The only difference is I'm not afraid. So bring "YOUR" hate to my kind. I'd rather die than live in a society with a moral foundation that destroys the spirit of man.

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there is nothing wrong being homosexuality, so let's stop judging other people's behaveour. i'm not homosexual and i won't be so i'v nothing to do with them. please good people let's give then a better life like every individual on our plannet.

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How offensive can your comment be to a Gay man that doesn't choose to be this way. You are the sort of person that i would class as homophobic. We have these so called 'ridiculous' parades to show countries like Iran that hanging Gay people is not acceptable. You do not need to have them as a straight person because that sort of behaviour doesn't happy with hetrosexual people. You are I'm sorry to say narrow minded.

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You obviously don't know a lot about the subject you're arguing about. And heterosexual people haven't had a terrible past of oppression and hurt, so it's understandable that homosexuals would like to show their pride to people like you and display how much they couldn't care less what you have to say. And by the way, homosexual behaviors are widespread throughout many varying animal species, not JUST in humans. It happens regularly in animal species because it is not looked down upon (obviously considering animals do not judge each other), nor to they have a man-made religion to follow or any form of culture that views homosexuality as wrong. It's a normal and natural thing to see... It may seem like an "abnormality that needs to be fixed" in your eyes, but the population is not going to "dwindle down to nothing" because part of our population is homosexual, as much as your fearful christian mind may think. But of course you, nor I can change the way other people are. I can't understand why you would even be on this page if you're not going to make a reasonable argument on homosexuality and why it happens. All you basically said was that it's an abnormality and it's a problem. How is it hurting you personally? It isn't. I don't see your whole life being destroyed and your capability to have children being ruined because there are homosexuals. So in that case, don't even bother worrying about it.

Born Gay's picture

Your self defeating theory is

Your self defeating theory is completely retarded. I am a 29 year old women and I am GAY! I am also Christian and I absolutely support STRAIGHT people! If not for them, I would not be here. Gay people can't reproduce, obviously! But straight people are the ones who produce gay people. Gay people will be here as long as straight people keep making us. We'll never be defeated unless we all "turn" gay! LOL luckily it's not that easy, eh? Thank The Good Lord! If every couple in the universe was able to reproduce, there would already be too many people on this planet. Gay is just nature's way of correcting itself. Consider us "gays" doing you and your children, and their children, a favor. You're welcome :)

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Thanks for sending a proper Christian message to those that are self-righteous because they believe their Christianity better than you or I. I just had this argument with another self-righteous human who could only quote me scripture to tell me I am wrong in believing that homosexuality is a choice. I may be heterosexual but that wasn't by choice. Choice is something you control. God made me this way as He has made you homosexual and my daughter with disabilities and my very Christian grandmother mentally ill. Don't get me wrong, I'm in no way comparing homosexuality to such issues just explaining the difference between choice and nature. Homosexuality is doesn't have a cure and should never be treated as a disease or as a sin (since sinning is a choice as well).

Christian who so believe they are doing the right thing in condemning homosexuals are just sending the message that they are truly hypocritical. Christians are suppose to love their neighbour as themselves and not cast judgement upon others. Anyone claiming to be Christian yet speaks as they do about homosexuality where there isn't 1 scripture in the bible to stand behind their belief have more to worry about come judgement day than those who accept and still claim Christianity as it is suppose to be.

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Gay Christains

You cannot be a Christian and be gay. In order to have a relationship with God you can't be in constant sin. Do you just entirely disregard the Bible or have you written your own set of rules? I don't understand how you think blatantly disregarding His law is being Christian. If you don't believe that homosexuality is incorrect based on your beliefs as a Christian then you really are not a Christian. I'm assuming you are saying so believing it gives you some sort of strategic advantage when arguing the topic.

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You are human. Humans lust,

You are human. Humans lust, always. It's our #1 sin, I'd say. In a brief flash of two milliseconds, you can lust after another and schluff it off as though it didn't happen. Jesus says that lust = adultery. You lust always. You are a perpetual sinner. Therefore, you are not a Christian. According to you. Enjoy your trip to hell!

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you just sinned by casting

you just sinned by casting judgement on someone else and refusing to love your neighbour as yourself. There is no scripture that says homosexuality is wrong. It says LUST is wrong! Heterosexual can lust all they want and that isn't wrong? Your sin is no different than anyone else's just because you claim to be Christian. And unless you can read Hebrew there is only translations of the bible that our multitude of religions want us to believe not 1 is the literal translation of the original written word.

Being Christian doesn't protect you from God's rath come judgement day. What does is how you chose to live the life God gave you, what choices you made and if you actually recognize and request forgiveness EVERYTIME you sin.

Serendip Visitor's picture

You should stop believing in

You should stop believing in god. I don't, and I'm heterosexual. With religion causing wars all over the world and even minuscule political arguments that arise from church, it's degradation to society is obvious. Even if you want to bargain with social church groups that help people in hardship around the world. Other groups that are not religious do the same. Every day churches are accepting more and different ideas that were previously shunned. Why have bibles been written and translated into new ones since our religious beginnings? To accommodate our current changing beliefs and values. The example of gays now being accepted into churches is an example. I can show you where homosexuals are not tolerated in any religious scripture. Being homosexual is obviously either a biological flaw or an annoying flamboyant person who believes their opinion matters. Our own political correctness keeps you from seeing good arguments on television because feelings would get hurt. Either way, its hard to find enjoyment conversing with someone who's life is revolved around their decision of sexual behavior. Their own vocation to this causes homosexuals to speak about sexual behaviors at in appropriate times or feel mentally a step ahead of the heterosexual individual when the media tells them that it is "OK". If it is OK to be gay then that would mean that homosexuals are more intelligent on average then the heterosexual individual at initiation of the very first homosexual act by homo-sapiens.

Serendip Visitor's picture

Covertly Multipying Actually

How do we know being straight isn't an abnormality that needs to be "fixed"? I doubt being gay will work itself out of the gene pool anytime soon (if that is even how this works) because many straight married people with children are secretly gay.
At this point in human existence the earth is heavily populated beyond capacity and not having children right now is actually good for the environment.
As for the parades, all groups have their extremists and their passionate activists. It gets attention. Being flamboyant comes with being gay sometimes, it's a human trait and it's not harming anyone physically, mentally or emotionally. Imagine what it'd be like if everyone else in the world was gay and you were one of a few straight people. How would it feel seeing others being affectionate to their lovers and living their lives free of unwarranted ridicule while you either hide your real self for fear of being attacked or live your life in agony. Imagine the constant weight on your shoulders from having to be someone you're not because others unable to get past their roadblocks to accepting others for who they are whether they be tax collectors, prostitutes or the man that will do the devils bidding for 30 pieces of silver. There's an imbalance in how people are treating certain groups.
Straight people don't have to proclaim they're straight because it's assumed in this society and a society that doesn't accommodate diversity is an unsavory thought as you could imagine unless I'm a clone then maybe I'll be okay with it.
Right now these people don't need ridicule they need acceptance. What will come of that we don't know but that's the right thing to do.

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It's not fixing it that sounds offensive. If scientists find a way to alter someones sexual preferences then the only ones that'll be going through this is the few mistreated homosexuals who are socially accepted to the point of suicide. But for the most part it's their love. They're not going too change their sexual preferences for a fictional book that says a magic man In the sky doesn't accept him. Get with the times brotha.

Herie's picture

Thank you all for contribution...!

I dearly thank all for the contribution. I am an african student of Anthropology in one of the farmous faculties in Brasil. For me, a homosexuality as it is, I believe is not something one is born with, it is not inert. When one is born, the environment shapes him or her to be what he/she is. I am doing a research over the subject as my final thesis, and fortunately I met some friends of mine who are gays and some told me that at a certain age of maturity they had wet dreams over the opposite sex...! It is a prove for me that it is something one gets after birth- no matter the age that one acquires this.
Also there are some men born with some "defects" in their physical sex organs- like having small penis or without "balls" ...etc. this could be another cause for one to like the same sex to satisfy what he is missing!
All in all we have to accept the presence of the "special" people in our societies... they make a part of us. If I am a gay, I dont ask for food in your doorway, why should you become harsh against me? There is no reason ... leave me alone ...stop harrassing other people... they owe nothing to your account!!!

Serendip Visitor's picture


I am also left handed adn i also see many left handed pepole around, but i dont think that it can be true.

doctor's picture

we are talking about

we are talking about homosetuality dear so be in top

Gene S.'s picture

What It's About

I chose to write with my left hand because it feels natural to me. I feel a little jealous of right handed people sometimes because no one bothers them or really pays much attention to them. Everyone pretty much leaves them alone. But my writing looks just as good as any right-handed person.I don't remember when I ever decided that I was left-haned, or even if there was even ever a choice to begin with. I really don't think science should be wasting their time trying to find out why it is I write with my left-hand. It seems like a load of folly to me. Is it because most people are right-handed and they think it's some kind of psychological, behavioral, birth-problem behind it? That's SO stupid!

My grandpa use to tell me about when he was teased and punished terribly by the religious people for being left-handed. He hated being left-handed so he tried and tried and tried to change. Eventually he figured out how to get by with writing with his right hand. Eventually he was print somewhat legibly and pass as a right-hander. And you just can't win because people then teased him about his bad handwriting. It wasn't natural for him and everyone knew it, yet he continued because he did not want to feel shame.

Homosexuality is a kind of left-handedness. It's too bad Heterosexuals believe that homosexuals can write with their right hand if they chose to. That if they could it would be more "natural" for them.

I've only known two people who could write well with both hands. I think it's the coolest thing. Very rare.

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gay marriage

I dont support gay marriage for any reason whatsoever

Jasmin Marie's picture

Gay Marraige

It is nobody place to say what's right and wrong for we have all messed up somewhere somehow!!! And for you to say that you do not support gay, they cannot choose to be gay any more they you can chose to be straight. Everyone deserves love. As long as they're happy! Why do you care? I support gay marriage!!!!!!!

Serendip Visitor's picture

Begging for hatred?

In no way do I plead for your ignorant mind to study a reason behind your comments and it's desperate attempt for negative attention. Nor do I feel any form of hatred or resentment towards you. All that I ask is for you to not be afraid to show your name when hiding behind ridiculously uneducated comments that could possibly invoke fear in young gay minds searching for an answer as to why they are the way they are in a society that finds it difficult to accept them. If its because of religion that you feel this way, I suggest you focus your energy on searching for the answers to the questions your nobel leaders (whoever they/it/he is/are) choose to steer you from by suggesting for example that science is merely a test put there to challenge your faith. Knowledge can be a powerful tool for a growing mind no matter how far along their development has progressed. Please try and open your mind to a world of realistic possibilities, including the one that your insecurities can be effecting you and your peers in an enormous way whether you mean to or not. Whether people are born gay or not, It's the way they are. Change is possible for many aspects of life, it's difficult to say if its true for a human to change their sexual preference, especially under the pressure of a life without their own society recognising the FACT that homosexuality is real and if you believe that your no more important or better in any way, than another human being on earth, which should be the case, than you should have no reason to disagree that marriage between a man and a woman is no different that two of the same sex. In no way possible can the marriage of a gay couple interfere with your life on any level.

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Love itself?

I had an epifany! How are we supposed to discover what causes homosexuality when nobody is absolutly certain what love is? I'm not talking about hormonal urges. I'm talking 'stare into your muddy brown eyes all eternity and be happy' sort of love. Can somebody tell why I feel like my heart is going to blow up when a loved one hurts me? Don't say its all in my head, if you do then tell me this; What part of my brain causes my heart to feel like it is literally dieing? Being gay bi lesbian staight pansexual trans etc is just a bunch of discription words for love, I think. Don't hate. Worse than drugs.

Serendip Visitor's picture

Get used to it society!!!

I have noticed that the responce to homosexuality is much like the responce america had to african americans post civil war. Marriage rights were limited, shunned by many churches, called hateful names etc. Now most people look back at what we did and think "That is dispicable! How could we do such a thing? ITS NOT FAIR!!!" But look at homosexualiy, pansexuality, bisexuality etc and think "Ew." Why? I see people turn away as if it is indecent when same sex couples kiss, but find it sweet or cute when opposite sex couples do. I can only hope in a few years rather than decades people will understand that it makes no difference... they are normal people too. Sometimes opposites attract, other times not. The world won't always fit that perfect picture you may have in your mind.

Justin Griffith 's picture

Gays rights the right of sexuality

Oh I love and respect homosexuals so much the mere thought of a so called cure terrifies me I can't think of a world without gays or lesbians I would kill myself if they one day vanished because if you take away them your just taking beauty away from the world there is certain beauty that can only be made by lesbians other form of beauty can only be made by gays and same goes for heterosexuals but to take away all forms of beauty except for heterosexuality is evil and even if it was a choice why persicute someone sexual preference lesbian and lesbian relationships are one of a kind I love seeing such beauty and I'd rather die then let that beauty dissapear!!

Chrissy's picture

To be honest, I am almost 40

To be honest, I am almost 40 and NEVER EVER have I witnessed anything but respect and some fear of homosexuals, because, you know, if you say ANYTHING that sounds even close to being "negative" it is you who´s going to get it, and not the homosexuals precisely. And I live in the first world (I have lived in three first world countries to date) and well, the problem does not come when you are homosexual but when you have any oppinion yourself that is not outright praising and positive about them.
I find it weird when I hear continuous complaints and fears from homosexuals in the first world (I am not saying anything about other cultures where conditions are very different) when they have the upper hand!!!
LGBT, please don´t fight violence with greater violence. You´re doing your cause no favour. I am free to think whatever I want about homosexuality, and may have good reason backing it too, but I am not going to treat anyone disrespectfully or discriminate anyone just for being homosexual. So please don´t you do it to me!

Serendip Visitor's picture


chromosome i.e. gene determine everything, everything happen in this world for a reason, if a person is gay / lesbian / straight / bisexual or anything else are determined by gene, if gene determine heterosexuality and if this is normal then i have to say the same in case of homosexuality, diseases are also caused by gene problem and human suffering and get pain and die, if any one think that being a gay is a chromosomal disease then i will say that no body is suffering from physically rather than mentally and which is caused by the socity , if the socity is maintain the quote "live and let live" this type of discussion will never be come and we who r gay r not to be judged by any homophobic socity or religion ..... thanking you..... ratnadeep ghosh, age 29, India.

Shazi Gul's picture

Its Obvious

I not homosexual but I have seen these people since my childhood. I know they are different. I feel they are genetically mutated somehow because I observed many male homosexual dressed like ladies and walk like ladies... That is not their choice. They are bound to behave like that.....

I think we all should realize that this is not the matter of choice and have never been so. Religion have always been in opposition to these relations but now as all we know that many other animal species also show this tendencies. Those animal behavior prove that this occurs all around the kingdom of nature and is not un-natural.
Religions from Schizophrenic Family() will never understand this simple sign. Its natural, It existed since primitive times and will continue to exist in our future.

Scott Ross's picture

Is Homosexuality a choice?

I believe that homosexuality is a very complex topic. I think everyone naturally has thier own view points,various opinions and beliefs. I am a homosexual and believe we are born different.I think one of the best arguements to prove this fact is if it were a choice why would someone choose to be teased,bullied,ridiculed and put through hell just to be honest with the world and themselves about who they are.Some men are just simply attracted to men. I don't know why the world has to complicate something that isn't complicated. Heterosexuals long to be with the opposite sex. Homosexuals are simply the opposite! Case closed.

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