Why, I Say, White People Can't Dance (And, Yes, It has to Do with Race/Culture/Rhythm, Appreciation, & Respect)
Introduction
For me, saying white people can't dance has nothing to do with the typical answer that they don't have rhythm. I think the reason for it includes some parts of that, but also something more systemic or structural - race relations and learning cultural contexts.
Dancing is a language (in the way we think of, respond to and through language). Its movements are its words and its grammar is its rhythm. Don't get it twisted; rhythm and grammar are really one in the same. The dictionary defines rhythm as the procedural aspect of a beat or flow.[1] Procedural means the rules and regulations. There are rules and regulations for grammar (i.e. sentences have to have a subject and a verb: She cried.) Again dance is a language—means of expression. It probably is the most articulate form of body language. The analogy I am making here is that the body language we use when talking is also language, but it is what would be comparable to everyday speech. A dance move is comparable to a well-formed speech or lecture. Lastly, a dance performance is comparable to a paper, essay, poem, novel, book, etc.
By all of this, I mean to say that when I say white people can't dance or at least can't dance with black people, I mean that they have not only not picked up a certain set of rules and regulations associated with the body and the overall beat of (black) dance, but also—in many cases— have not picked up the overall flow—philosophy of (black) dance. (To go further understand what I mean by the flow—think of it like overall meaning or point or culture of dance. Refer to the diamond footnote on page 3 for more info.)
I think this phenomenon is linked, in part, to the Puritanical tradition and white culture's fundamental devaluing and mistrust of the knowledge gathered from and experienced through the body. This tradition comes into direct conflict with the African tradition and the traditions of the African Diaspora, where the knowledge from the body is not only valued just as much as the knowledge from the mind, but continually used, acknowledged, and sought after.
This fundamental difference of perspectives regarding the body has led to different philosophies and rules of engagement regarding dance and movement—in other words, black and white people talk differently and that leads to miscommunication, misunderstanding, and even disrespect.
I am aware that this essay grossly—indiscriminately—lumps all white people and all black people together without addressing the variations due to cultural perspectives, attitudes, or expressions. I understand that what I say about black and white people does not apply to all people or groups contained under that distinction. I know there are some white people, who may be black, culturally & phenotypically, as well as there are some blacks that may be white, culturally & phenotypically, as well as know there are innumerable categories that complicate and problematize what I say here. Because of the urgency of this essay and my limitations, I cannot do justice to all those stories. The hope is that everyone will step up to the plate and do justice to her story—for everyone's sake—because the world needs to know you are out there.
Dance in this essay is primarily referring to black American dance—black American culture and procedures (rules of engagement). While I talk about dance generally and my specific experience with dancing at a club, I mean to connect that conversation to American black and white race relations, generally, and my individual experiences (as a black American woman of Belizean and Southern American heritage) with white people, specifically.
This article gears towards showing a connection between the specific and the structural, the private and the political, the everyday and the yesterdays, the present and the History, stories and the metanarratives. It also gears towards giving everyone language in which to talk about dancing and race relations in America. It also gears towards airing out my frustration caused at the club that day—It is my healing (I had the hunch that it would be other people's healing as well). Once again, I apologize if this speaks too loudly for any one group or dance style.
This article is written for all people, but especially white people. By white, I am talking about white Americans and by black, I am referring black Americans. This essay intends not to forget about the white people who respect and value black culture and what it means as well as black people and what they mean.¨
It also does not intend to forget about the white people who not only respect and value all the things said in the paragraph above, but have learned to dance with, (not at), black people through acculturation (i.e. growing up with, not next to, black people), through learning about the history behind our vibration, and/or through somehow intrinsically picking up the rhythm. Thank you. You all, in the words of Jessie Jackson, keep hope alive. KEEP DOING THAT!
Now I want to let you all know why I am even writing this in the first place….
My friend Adaobi (black American woman of Nigerian heritage) texted me, last Thursday (5/10/07) saying that she is tired of doing physics and wanted to go dancing.
[Let's pause right here: the reason or shall I say need for dancing was for a release. So already it has another meaning than just simply dancing's sake or because she was bored (nothing is wrong with that by the way. I'm just making a distinction here). Adaobi wanted to dance for peace of mind. Okay, let's continue]
So, we go to Sister's, which is located in Philadelphia. Although Sister's is generally frequented by white people, Thursday nights were admission plus 8 drink tickets for $10. This coincidentally was the night that the most black people showed up.
We get up stairs to the dance floor area pumped and ready to move—release, heal, let go. Then I began to notice two groups that predominated this party: black people and white people. The dance floor's energy was not a united energy. It was choppy, disconcerted, and actually sort of hostile. Because of this, I watched and analyzed as I danced as well as got angry at the series of things that went on that night—most of that anger was felt towards and because of the white people at this party.
Now, knowing all of these interesting details, I hope I got you hooked on finishing this article. Below is a more detailed description of what happened last Thursday night. It is followed by a possible solution to this persistent problem of black and white people (not) dancing together.
Ethnography of Last Thursday Night at the Club
Description and Background
Walking up stairs to Sister's dance floor, I, cheesing and laughing, hear the booming music. The room was surrounded by mirrors on each wall, a bar was on the right and the DJ booth was diagonally from me. There were disco lights and mainly 70's disco, hip hop, and R&B playing. The sidelines were carpeted with a few stools against the mirrors. I noticed that black and white people predominated the party and actually, there were slightly more black people than white people. Black people were on the perimeter, on the carpet and near the mirror, and white people were in the middle of the dance floor.
Here, I see the weirdest thing I have ever seen at a club: The black people were dancing in the mirror. Now, I don't mean one of two, but about 15 black people in total were dancing in the mirror with themselves—completely disengaged from the dance floor and actually having a ball and cheering looking at themselves move. Behind their back was a dance floor filled with white people. It would be a stretch to say that the white people were dancing. I saw white people making out, falling on the floor, standing talking, and, I think, moving.
Now, like Adaobi and I said that night, I don't mind people having sex or falling on the dance floor, so long as they are doing it to the beat. Let me pause here and make another analogy to dance and language: Dancing to the beat means staying on topic in conversation. When people dance to a song, they are agreeing to engage with its beat—its topic. It is like going to a lecture about Spiderman. You expect everyone to be willing to talk about Spiderman if they entered the lecture hall. So that is what (black) people entering a dance hall expect. It gets annoying to talk to someone if you are focused on a topic and they are off-topic and tangential. It is even more annoying when the person doesn't refuse to stop talking. Replace talking with dancing, topic with beat, and off-topic with off-beat and read the previous sentence again.
The Abaobi and Me connection
Adaobi and I were doing exactly what we came to do. We were vibing. I had more of a hip hop expression while we were dancing (talking) and she had more of an African dance expression, but there would be many times when what we did looked eerily similar and even, we would begin doing the same movements together spontaneously.
We were smiling, jumping, stomping, waving our arms and heads, dipping, wining, and turning (on beat of course). We looked like we were celebrating something (or just really excited about what we were talking about or maybe just really excited to talk to one another). At times when I noticed that I did not look at her enough, (look engaged in conversation with her), I started to look at her and give her encouraging responses when she danced such as "Uh, oh” or "okay now.” (Think of shaking your head in affirmation when talking with someone). I did that to make sure she saw that I saw her and appreciated dancing with her. Sometimes, we would teach each other something. I would start doing a movement and she would do it with a question or hesitation in her step and then look at me for correction or confirmation, then I would do it again, then we would do it together. It took seconds for each of us to learn what each other was teaching because we had such a strong basis of communication before hand.
How Black People Responded to Us
Black people were responding to us as if they were wondering how did we find the energy to dance that way, in a space like this? Because our style was not typical even if it was also based in tradition, black people did not know how to enter our conversation. So instead, they looked at us and smiled. Some tried to do it too, I caught them in my periphery, but when I turned around, they automatically stopped, like they did not want me to see them attempting to learn our styles (language).
We could see black people smiling at us and pointing to other black people to come watch. Because our style was so different, they let us have our space to enjoy our language together, our culture together. They did not come and impose on the space, even though they liked what we did (how we sounded), because we were so into it. They wanted us to enjoy our time together. This was giving credence to the importance of giving people the space to enjoy their individuality.
Other black people created their own space regardless of what we were doing some where else while still giving us our space. We did the same to them. The powerful thing is that we all were moving and expressing ourselves to the same rhythm, the same beat—overall philosophy.
How White People Responded to Us
Adaobi and I did not want to dance in the mirror or the sidelines. We felt the dance floor was as much of our space as it was anyone else's. So we danced on the dance floor amidst the white people. The energy between us was clear. It was clear that we were in deep conversation with one another.
The white people completely seemed to disregard this. At the beginning, a couple of them came in our space range of dancing (our conversation). Bothered, Adaobi and I moved. I assumed, innocently, that they must have not noticed that we were deep in conversation. I also felt bothered because they were unaware that their presence limited us and forced us to find new space. However, I swear that white people kept doing this about 20 times that night. I thought the white people would see the pattern of my annoyance. But that was a hope in shallow well. That is when I noticed this behavior could not be a random act by the white people at this party. It must have been the result of their language, their culture, their misunderstanding and even their disregard of our language and culture. That is when I connected the event to the structural, the behavior to the culture, the symptom to the syndrome.
My awareness heightened and I began to pay attention to what was happening and what was being communicated at the club. Below is the list of all the things white people did that night that let me know that (1) white people and black people speak two different languages (when dancing) and (2) how white people and black people danced together (or next to each other) was representatives of how black people and white people interacted with (or to) one another.
The List of Things of Disrespectful Things White People Did to Adaobi and Me
Because the list is so long, feel free to skip around. Us refers to Adaobi and me. Enjoy, because I certainly did:
A) Say Excuse Me Cuz I Exist!
White people kept dancing or walking through us while we were dancing, without saying excuse me or acknowledging our presence. (The black people walked around us and even if they walked through us, they apologized for doing so and looked us in the eye).
B) I Will Not Tap Dance for You!
I stopped dancing because I got upset at what happened in A. I moved to the mirrors and the side lines staring blankly at the dance floor, the white dance floor. A white girl sitting at the bar tapped Adaobi and me and said that we are really great dancers and have amazing energy together.
I got excited because I felt that finally a white person gets it and acknowledges it. Then she followed up by saying, "Can you do it again. Go do it again. Go, go back on the dance floor.” She said this while simultaneously pushing us on our lower backs and still saying come on dance again. When we didn't move and looked at her like she was crazy, she went back down to sit with her black partner. I said to myself that I am not your puppet, I am not dancing for you. Then I realized once more, white people don't get it. She didn't even get that we left the dance floor because we were so offended by white people.
C) Just Cuz You Know the Words Does Not Mean You Know What I'm Saying or
If Ya Don't Know Wat's Cookin', Ge' Outta Da Kitchen!
We go back on the dance floor because we got so much energy from dancing with each other, we wanted to release one mo' ‘gain. That is when things heated up for me. The white people began to try to mimic our steps—our words. Then with excitement for learning this new word the white people tried to use it with one another. Fine, whatever, so long as they stay away from me with it because once the white people took it, it was no longer mine and I no longer wanted it. This is an example of what I mean:
Seeing this white girl take the step that I was doing, messing it up, and showing it to her friend like she invented it, is like a person taking an artifact because it was "cute” or "cool” that was originally used for blessing a child and putting it on a mantel to show all their friends. It no longer serves it original purpose, it no longer means the same thing in that new context. When a person, who views the artifact as sacred, sees its new use, they may feel gravely offended and even disown that artifact because it was now defiled.
D) I Don't Belong in a Museum or You Can't Box Me In!
A group of three white people started coming close to us, again, without being invited in the space—which happens through eye contact and acknowledgement. They start doing the only black dance movements (words) that they know—yes they knew the words but not the appropriate usage.
They literally started closing Adaobi into a box, which was interesting because it looked like Adaobi was dancing her black dance encased by white people and their stares. I already left that circle when they welcomed themselves in without waiting for our reply.
Adaobi finally broke out of that and found me on the sidelines, again, watching the dance floor. She taps me and says, "I know you were heated. I am really sorry.” We stared at the dance floor again, in disbelief.
E) Doing the Electric Slide: Black People Uniting to Takeover the Dance Floor
(But the White People Almost Foil Us Once More)
This was my favorite part of the night, well at least for a while.
Some of the black girls that were primarily dancing with themselves in the mirror started doing the electric slide—which is a really popular line dancing form for black people (we do it at every family reunion). Adaobi and I see that and we begin to join in, not from where we wanted to begin but from where the girls were currently. Very quickly, all the black people that were on the sidelines or in the mirror began to join. We quickly took over the entire dance floor.
Before this, you wouldn't have known that there were that many black people in the club. So, finally I am happy. Happy that black people stood up, as a unit and demanded that people, who couldn't get with the rhythm, back the fuck up (or people, who couldn't get with the lingo, shut up). Literally, if you didn't know it, you were likely to get pushed or stomped on by someone accidentally and even purposefully.
We finally got a chance to be as black and as loud as we wanted to be. It was very clear that we were saying something. We looked like a disco-army, sharing in one unified understanding or flow. Yes, we were all in one grammar but each of our sentences looked very different from one another. I was spinning my arms as I moved. Some one else was moving their shoulders a lot. Someone else would dip low and long. Some smoother cats would glide. Adaobi had a little African style to her electric slide.
Surprising almost all of the white people did not reenter the dance floor. Well at not least for a while. Then this white girl, who I remember was one of the white people trying to mimic me and Adaobi, tried to come in. Okay, fine, I could understand if she practiced before she came in or at least knew something about the step. Nope. She jumped right in stepping on people and getting in people's way. This is when the problem began.
There were three rows of the electric slide. This black girl was trying to form a fourth row, when the white girl jumped in. Because that white girl kept stepping and falling on her, she quit trying to make the fourth row and went back to standing on the side lines near the mirror. Finally, when the white girl realized that we were moving regardless of her and without the intention of trying to include her (no black person tried to show her what to do), she left the dance floor.
I asked my friend Kathy Huynh what would she have said to that girl. I said that the girl looked like she was appreciating what we were doing. Should I say that white people should not try join in with black people's conversations? How would anyone learn? Then Kathy brilliantly replied, "I would tell her, ‘Thank you for appreciating and wanting to genuinely learn what these black people are doing, but also give them the time and space to appreciate their own culture, for themselves.'” I will leave it at that, because I couldn't have phrased it better.
F) Grrrr!: Overt and Blatant Disrespect
As Adaobi and I are dancing, this white guy does not only bump into me, but stays there pressing the crevice of his back into my shoulder and arm. I was like, "He must not notice I am here.” So I pushed him off of me and said "Hey, watch it.” He looked at me surprised. I thought that meant that he was really didn't know that he was doing that and wanted to apologize, so I stood there waiting for a reply. He says nothing, humps my thigh three times, and pinches my butt. I screamed and said, "Get the fuck off me.” Then amongst me screaming and walking away from him, he runs up and humps Adaobi's butt three times and then runs back to his crowd of white people.
Farewell to Hell
When we left the club and got to the bus stop, I just started kicking and punching this poster on the bus stop of a large white man's face while also screaming. I turned to Adaobi, apologizing for my screaming, thinking she must think I am crazy. She replied with a saddened face, "No, Shayna, don't worry, I understand. Trust me, I understand.”
I kicked and punched to poster, because I felt helpless. I thought that there was nothing I could do to stop what happened at the club—what happens almost every time black and white people dance together—interact. The only thing I could come up with, is writing this article, hoping it would change some (white) person's perspective, hoping that white and black people could interact in a space without being offended by each other, and hoping it would help me heal from my hurt that night. Hoping—it seems like that is the only thing I ever do next to speaking up about my feelings. It hasn't changed much thus far. And to tell you the truth, I'm getting tired of hoping and discussing. I am tired of putting my self out there—(on the dance floor)
Maybe that is the same reason why all those other black people were on the sidelines and in the mirror. They were tired of trying to interact with white people who did not even have the slightest interest in knowing where they were coming from, what they are saying, or respecting and appreciating what they value. It speaks so much for our society today, yesterday, and, sadly and most likely, tomorrow.
(End of Ethnography)
Creating a Solution: Eliminating Racism
Through Learning to Dance
Here is my theory: White people should learn or at least try to learn how to dance black while simultaneously either valuing it as much as they value their dance or at least respecting it as much as they respect their dance. Remember now, I am using dance as a synonym for language and as a synonym for culture. Keep this in mind and it may be easier to replace dance with culture and vice versa in this passage.
The reason that it is critical for white people to learn the dance of black culture is so that white people can be not only aware of black people's perspective, be sensitive to it, and value it as good and valid, but so they can work to eliminate the privilege given to whiteness—meaning those characteristics and people in America that is termed as white. (Having privilege here means having special value. So white in America has special value at the expense of black)
That means dismantling the privilege given to knowledge that is predominantly mind-originated and working for a valuing of knowledge that is holistic meaning knowledge that incorporates the body as well as the mind. That means dismantling the privilege given to aspects of American society that have been structured and conditioned primarily and predominantly by white people—i.e. our school system (colleges and universities too), the standard in which we evaluate performance and intelligence, etc.
This work aids the process of eliminating racism which is having prejudice (ex. white is always better) and the power to enact it (ex. A white person stopping a black person from getting X job because that black person is not white, culturally or phenotypically). Racism is also believing in the inherent superiority of a particular race. The implication of believing in the inherent superiority of a particular race is that all those that do not fall into that category become less than or somehow deficient or down right bad.
Now, what that means is that white (culture or features) have become sacred in American society—hence the statement, "White is always right.” So, for some people, it may seem horrific or like a tragedy to speak of dismantling what they have held so very sacred. Let me specify here. I do not mean that white gets devalued when I say white privilege should be dismantled. No, on the contrary, white people should value their whiteness (whatever that means for people), just not at the expense of another. Shoot, I value my blackness (I know what that means for me. Email me about it if you want to know). I can't stand when white people say, "I hate being white” or "I hate white people” or "I only like black people." NOOOOOO! Don't eliminate privilege by self-hatred, white people. Eliminate privilege through either working to give everyone privilege (value) or conversely, giving no one privilege (value) over another.
One may ask why blacks don't just learn to dance with white people instead of white people learning to dance with blacks. Well, to whoever you are thinking this, what I have to say is that black people have been shucking and jiving with white people for years. It's time for whites to give up some privilege, for peace's sake.
For our survival, black people had to know the white person's rhythm (culture). Look at English Ebonics[2] and "standard" English. To write my papers in college, I had to use and learn the grammar of "standard" English when I usually speak in the English form of Ebonics. I would always tell my professors, why can't I just talk to you or debate with you rather than write a paper? Or why can't I write a poem or do a dance instead of writing an essay? This is not saying that writing is not important, for it is, but why can't I couple it with another form of expression or even another dialect of English? (I believe this has to do with valuing and devaluing. Or "following tradition""meaning following "white is right." People don't like to admit this to themselves.)
This is also represents a battle inside myself to stay sane because I have come to value certain aspects of white culture, but also know that those aspects are rooted in a disregard, disrespect, and a devaluing of black culture, something that I have internalized and made sacred inside myself. So often, this battle, at times, makes me want to throw away or destroy anything that is white inside myself or any symbols of whiteness around me or conversely, throw away or destroy anything that is black inside (outside) myself. Dubois talks about this in his reference to the "double consciousness" of black folks. He says
His [the Negro's] double-consciousness, this sense of always looking at one's self through the eyes of others, of measuring one's soul by the tape of a world that looks on in amused contempt and pity. One ever feels his two-ness,"an American, a Negro; two souls, two thoughts, two unreconciled strivings; two warring ideals in one dark body, whose dogged strength alone keeps it from being torn asunder.[3]
Since I can't escape white culture in this society, the only way to reconcile this terror inside of me is to help alter white culture to value black culture"to value me. That is what this article intends to do.
So now I am saying white people have to learn to dance with us, if they want to unlearn racism and reconcile its effects. I realize that I have gone as far as I can go with trying to dismantle racism. White people, it is your turn. It can only be finished if you let it be finished.
Furthermore, it is important for white people to know and value the dance of black people's culture (or of any person of color's culture) because white people in this country have been bred to be mono-cultural and bred to devalue other ways of being that are not like theirs. This has the consequence of further obscuring reality"or realities that are strongly felt and lived by others. So, in a sense my particular double consciousness is both a blessing and a curse. However, it does not have to be a curse. It is only a curse because one of the consciousnesses that I have come to value degrades and tries to eliminate the other consciousness that I have strongly internalized as my basic self. It is a blessing to have more than one way of looking at the world. For example, I learned in a neurobiology class that the nervous system has at least six ways to receive the same information: hearing, touch, taste, smell, sight, and proprioceptors. As my professor said, "It helps us get things less wrong as well as adds more depth to what we perceive."
In other words, our body purposely has multiple perspectives that come into conflict with one another in order to get the sharpest notion of what actually is going on. This is reason enough to unlearn racism. Racism prevents people from a depth and sharpness in their perception. Conflicting realties are not inherently bad. People make different ways of seeing bad. Our nervous system seeks different perspectives, knowing that difference can not only be helpful, but also good.
To relate this again to dancing: That is not telling every white person to go find a black person and ask them to teach you their culture. That is ridiculous. What I am saying to white people is, be aware that (black) dancing has a grammar"rules of engagement. Try to find out what they are in a respectful manner that has in mind that not every black person, all or any of the time, is interested in teaching white people their grammar. Keep in mind that there are some things that cannot be spoon-fed and require the arduous task of experience and learning by oneself. Also keep in mind, like my friend Kathy said, give black people the time, space, and respect to appreciate, enjoy, marvel in, get relieved by their own culture, by themselves.
Also, more importantly, keep in mind that black people learn your grammar by spending time with white people and in white and white-originated institutions. That is not saying that white people should flood black communities and black institutions (that has all sort of problems like gentrification, and violating the importance of respecting organizations and spaces for affinity groups).
What it is saying is that something will be lost if you just learned black culture through books, movies, television, music videos on BET and MTV, jazz C.D.'s, other forms of recorded black music, artifacts, and whatnot. Basing one's view of a people solely on any one of these can be problematic on so many levels, especially since the media grossly misrepresents or complete stereotypes of what they choose to portray of black culture.
What I am saying is to also GO TO THE PRIMARY SOURCE"black people. That first means putting a face to all that you love of black culture and loving that face as well"loving meaning valuing. This does not make everything accurate or peaceful, but like I once said, you would be skeptical of someone's ability to speak Spanish if they told you they never met a native-Spanish speaker, never been to a Spanish-speaking country, and solely learned Spanish and what they know about Spanish culture from reading a book.
All and All
If white people begin to work to actively dismantle the privilege given to whiteness and give value to blackness, if this occurs, one day right there in Alabama, little black boys and black girls will be able to join hands with little white boys and white girls as sisters and brothers gettin' down wit their bad selves. If this occurs, I believe white people and black people can finally dance together, well at least figuratively.
That's my story and I am sticking to it. Peaceeeeeee. No, seriously, peace.
[1] http://www.infoplease.com/ipd/A0627018.html
¨ I admit some people, even some black people, don't know or haven't thought of what black culture and black people mean in America literally. That is fine because I am willing to bet that those acculturated into black culture know what it means intuitively"in other words, they know it through its feeling or feeling in general. Recognizing what black people mean includes valuing them as human-beings"living, rational, irrational, and moral beings. But what I truly mean is valuing their contributions as a people to not only American society, but also American identity and culture.
[2] http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ebonics
[3] W.E.B. Du Bois (1868"1963). 1903. The Souls of Black Folk: "Of Our Spiritual Strivings." Chicago: A.C. McClurg & Co.; [Cambridge]: University Press John Wilson and Son, Cambridge, U.S.A.,



Comments
I'm a white male who doesn't
I'm a white male who doesn't dance. I just wanted to say that your article is awesome- extremely well written and your point came across perfectly. It's certainly changed my view of other cultures in general and given me insight into both America's serious white-black racism problem, as well as how to go about understanding other culture's art forms.
Thank you!
unless its an upscale club
unless its an upscale club you should know if white people are dancing they are drunk! if someone imitates you take it as a compliment. if they suck at it consider it an instant victory. you would really have been pissed if the white girl just stole your moves and made it look badass. you say white people have an entitled attitude. i would say you have a weak ass outlook on life. why would i want to see the world through your eyes if anything you should see it through mine. after all according to you i can do anything i want since i am white. you are only limited by yourself and im not taking a step back so you don't have to take a step forward.
Want to see white people
Want to see white people dance and move like black people?
Go to Brazil, where they're a dime a dozen. :)
It's purely a cultural thing. I've come across the kids and teens of African migrants, born in predominantly European countries, and have noticed how quickly the rhythmic gene can abandon them. This is evidence to me that much of it comes down to being immersed in dance culture, and sustaining the traditions. In a sense, you always have to be relatively well practiced in the art.
Wow, just wow!
Vilifying an entire race, wow, just wow! I guess I could say all black males scare me as I am a white woman. But they don't. I look at the eyes, the body language whether white or black or something in between. I judge people as individuals and not as an entire group. I have a close Iranian friend who still lives in Iran. When friends first heard of that, they thought I might be communicating with a terrorist! Get it? We all to some degree tend to stereotype, but your assessment is completely stereotypical as well as racist.
I have seen some terrific black dancers and some that stink. I have seen some fab white dancers and some that stink. Dance is a wonderful thing and a great way to release tension, enjoy the music and move your body in an expression that is all yours (or copied, and copying is the sincerest act of flattery).
I am an avid dancer, not a couple's dancer, but a lone dancer, a zumba dancer, a hip hop dancer, and a lyrical dancer. And I am very white. At my health club where I practice, I have had black people approach me and compliment me. Apparently my being white didn't seem to bother them much. I love dancing and do not feel possessive of it. It is to share, to enjoy, and to bring joy to yourself and to others. Coming into a dance club with a 'tude" is a way to make your experience close to miserable.
And for people cutting across your dance space? I agree it isn't polite. But it isn't because you are black. Even when I practice at my club in the aerobics room (which is completely empty, I have had women cut across my space between me and the mirror. Pretty rude. I even put a plastic block between me and the mirror and behind me to "mark" my territory and still a few cut through without so much as a look. I just think they are clueless and not just a white woman hating on another white woman who can dance.
I can't dance
I'm white, and I cannot dance to save my life. Knowing this, I avoid dance clubs, and if I happen to find myself in one, I normally sit quietly at my table and drink. Or play pool. Or darts. Whatever. But on rare occasion, I might get drunk enough to dance. The alcohol does not magically imbue me with the language of dance. In fact, it often robs me of the ability to speak the English language. But it kindles the confidence I need to stagger out onto the dance floor and flail about like a Dervish with a snakebite. I do not think I am alone in this.
Since most dance clubs make the lion's share of their profits from alcohol sales, it stands to reason that a good portion of the dance floor is populated by people who are not entirely sober. It seems to me like it may be a little optimistic of you to assume that they are all going to be attuned to the subtleties of your unique brand of body language. It is more likely that at least a few of them are going to step on your feet, spill their drink on you, and dry hump your leg. This is one of the many reasons I avoid dancing at bars. I don't want to bounce around like a blind guy in a mosh pit.
I'm not nearly as bitter about it as you seem to be. It sounds like you have a very good knowledge of dance, and a real passion for it. Perhaps you should surround yourself with people who are just as passionate and knowledgeable? Have you considered becoming involved with dance at a more organized level, like ballet or ballroom dancesport or a dance troupe, or even teach a class yourself?
If you want to dance in a mixed crowd, I think it might help you to relax a little and think of yourself as an ambassador of dance. If dance is a language, and there are people out there who need and want to learn it, then why not share your knowledge? At one point in your narrative, you were actually approached by a white person who wanted to learn your language and then share it with others. That was an opportunity to ultimately remake the dance floor into something more to your liking.
Be the change you want to see in the world.
that's a good point
I think that this is the best point that has been made in this entire discussion: that there is lots of alcohol being served, bought and consumed and the people in the club are all drunk! How much courtesy and respect can one expect in that environment. Your suggestion that the original writer join a dance class/troupe or teach herself is a good one. Surrounding herself with people who respect and love dance would give her a different perspective about this. I think that black people who have been drinking can be just as weird as white people (or any ethnicity) and really it isn't fair to assume that these people would all act as disrespectfully if they were sober. Not that being drunk excuses any disrespect or disregard, but that you aren't going to get the best of people in that situation.
I have been reading and
I have been reading and rereading this essay for maybe a year or two, and it never ceases to upset me, deeply.
As a white girl, I am frustrated by the apparent inability of two cultures/races/genders/whatever to willingly learn from each other or teach one another. Your essay reads like a big "fuck you" to white people in general.I don't feel like I understand your individual culture any better than I previously did. The only thing I understand is that I should stay the fuck away from black people while they're dancing, because I clearly won't understand and clearly have nothing to offer/learn in this situation. But how can I learn anything about a culture/race/gender...or individual if I'm so afraid of interacting/asking/looking like an idiot/ using the word black instead of African American or African American instead of black (and while I'm here, would anyone like to straighten me out on that front?) that I never ask the questions that would allow me to be something more than an ignorant white girl.
Your essay scares me, because reading it makes me feel like I can never be anything more than the color of my skin. It makes me feel small and worthless for something I don't have any control over.
OMG LOL
I'M BLACK AND NATIVE AMERICAN....AND EVEN I FEEL LIKE THIS IS SOOOOO RACIST LMAO
you CAN'T act like an ethnicity
The OP said some white people act culturally and phenotypically black and vice versa. All "ethnicities" act different, and you can not act "black" or act "white". A person can act "ghetto" or "proper", not white and not black or asian and so forth.
Don't put yourself in a box
"i have tested them i went to a highschool physics test and im only 13 in the 7th so not all black people are not as smart as white people" NONE of the black people are "not as smart as" the white people. I hope that's not what message they're sending you in school. If black people are given a bad rep of 'stupid' or some BS, trust me it's BS, it's only because of racism and in the ghetto black people aren't given a very good life.
But I'm good at math & have beat so I can dance(lol we're like similar). In fact I always thought black people, who have had some strong unique styles, might be good at logic too. I always thought I had some stereotypical black traits, I have beat & I love hiphop. In fact I'm attracted to cute boys in the hiphop scene with any kind of swag. So I'm wondering this based on my self.
ABCDEFGH
I saw that part in your essay so I was just going to say maybe some people are just raised closed minded you know they were bred/taught something so long, like that club group just like some people in the south have been raised to be racist. Old habits die hard, maybe they don't realize you have a language(which is why your essay was a good thing) but you know what I find? I find that the south seems more open, like more black people move down there. I see one of the most hiphop people from the south, even Hannah Montana has that hiphop style(or is it just me?). It's ironic like that but I feel that some people are just raised and never learned to have an open mind. And when they learn to open their minds, they'll surprise you. So sometimes being frustrated with them is a waste of your efforts(something I need to practice as much as I preach) & you just need to be firm about yourself(something I need ot practice as much as I preach).
( And this is off topic but I always wondered about Ebonitics, I didn't know it was a dialect I thought it was just like an accent(I'm blond in all but hair color bear with), so you had to learn the standard English too? If it helps I think the southern people had to too, so it's not racial apathy b/c they don't accept the southern dialect either.)
I really don't have anything to argue or make a point because I pretty much agree with your essay. As someone who was always culturally confused, I'm Indian born in the US never allowed to do what anyone else did(not even other indian friends) because I had a strict culture. Boy let me tell you it's one confusing ride, sadly I really don't know how to make friends, no joke & I still feel insecure. (The title of my post stands for American Born Confused Desi Excluded Forgotten Going Haywire. ABCD is a term used for confused Indians(Desi), I added the other 4 letters).
So I'm used to looking into things deeply like you do & applaud you for keeping an open mind. I learned that to truly rise & be proud of who you are, you really should treat others like you want to be treated. I've actually learned this from being bullied(online, long story). That's why I think all this 'Whites can't dance' hype seen everywhere is BS. I take offense to that(I'm sometimes attracted by cute blond guys in the hiphop scene) I was actually born with beat & I learned to dance from Indian dances. But why should someone be looked down just because some(we can't generalize, who knows who can do what)weren't born with rhythm or not trained recognize it, maybe they have other talents that would make a unique & nice dance. Dance is about artform, expression, & uniqueness. That's how Hiphop got so popular besides being so cool, I don't think it was ever done before(of course I haven't studied the history of dance). I bet they can own the dance floor with moves out of rhythm or some substitution or something else which would be so awesome(& cute if a cute guy did it ;]). In the same way I think people should respect other people's differences(i.e culture) & foster diversity. "America's strength is not our diversity; our strength is our ability to unite people of different backgrounds around common principles. A common language is necessary to reach that goal."-Earnest Istook -
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" ~Author Unknown I love hip
I defend whites but I defend everyone. I notice I never try to put anyone down. Maybe it's from my experience of having a lot of insecurities & I hope no one else has to ever feel what I did. I just spoke what I feel because I've thought about this stuff before. I love hiphop, R&B, & jazz and I believe that people will actually learn to feel better about themselves, less socially pressured, happier, become good people(find good people, friends, & dates) & grow if all the races learn to 'dance' in sync.
white people are cool
heres how we danced before blacks brow-beat us into being ashamed of ourselves
(link)
better than any black dances ive seen
Wow, judging from the
Wow, judging from the comments here the internet really brings out the worst in people. I can understand in an abstract sense (as I'm sure you do too) why someone would protest the idea that all white people are similar and all black are similar etc., but many of the commentators obviously had no interest in trying to understand what this essay really wanted to say, not to mention the fact that whenever anyone brings up an issue like race or religion on the internet, it becomes a springboard for every other passerby to expostulate on all the ludicrous offensive opinions they (I can only hope) otherwise keep bottled up during day to day life.
But going on. From a critical perspective, I might say your essay suffers somewhat from crossed purposes: at times you seem to want to assume an objective, critical perspective, and at other times to evoke a personal experience of frustration, which situation inevitably produces some confusion here and there. That said, reading this essay informally on the internet, I don't so much mind this as much perhaps as if I had found it in a published text; the fact is, if I'd found a formal sociological analysis of the dynamics of dance-interactions between racial groups, it probably would not have held my attention through to the very end, whereas a long ramble about how white people can ruin dance clubs would be unlikely to be taken very seriously - so, for your crossed purposes, in this case, I commend you.
Informally speaking, I have also found that white people on the whole tend not to dance as well, in social contexts, in the US, as black people (but don't forget Hispanics!). The comments referring to ballet or clubs in London and Australia are evidently off-point because you are clearly concerned with non-professional dance in the USA (though I can testify to the fact that white London clubs - at least the ones I've seen - are some of the most pitiful excuse for dance clubs on the face of the earth).
Just Wow
i was actually very interested in reading this. thanks for taking the time expressing your thoughts. i'm not going to get deep into this but i will just bring up the first thing i noticed. You mentioned that black people tried imitating your dance but stopped when u looked at them. No mention on whether they were doing it properly or not.Then you mention that a white woman tried to imitate you and then take your "language" and spread it "among her people". Then you indicate this offends you.From this i gather you are perfectly fine with a black person dancing like you but you have issues when white people in general do the same. This is inferred through out this whole piece.
Rhythm runs through the blood of everyone
Interesting article, but I refuse to believe all of the labelling and stereotyping is real. Obviously your experiences are real, but I don't think that's necessarily just a "racial" thing. My proof? My experiences of clubbing....Austalia is really multicultural, and you can probably have fifty different backgrounds in one club. My experience is that people act like drunken idiots in most clubs, disregard your personal space, act all inappropriate and rude - in amongst those people, who are most of the time caught up in their own dance space so fail to notice others, are people who genuinely come to dance and feel the rhythm.
Besides, I think cultural ignorance, which is what you're describing but narrowing down to a lack of respect and acknowledgement of the importance of cultural rules and differences - is definitely not just a white thing. There are ignorant people here who make fun of the recent wave of migrants, and yet they themselves were migrants.
P.S. I'm literally white as white can be as far as my skin colour, but the moment I heard Michael Jackson playing as a kid, r&b music was all it was for me. I can appreciate and like to learn other forms of dance, but there's something about r&b, hip hop, motown and soul that affects me and compels me to dance. My best friend is the same and she's Chilean, so I've never really found what you're describing a barrier for me, because I've always actively sought to embrace and understand other cultures, especially African American.
Peace. =)
SIGH
So let me get this straight... You had a bad evening in a douche-y nightclub, and you used your contrasted idea of "good dancing" (which is horribly abstract) as a rationalization to hate an entire race of people. This is actually quite delusional. You are probably harboring some nasty emotions from your childhood, and your racism is a seriously unhealthy and delusional vent. You need guidance.
Just Dance
while i think anybody of any race is capable of being a great dancer since ive taken up dancing (3years now when i started high school) i came to notice that black people just outshine everyone else, but why? Blacks arent all great dancers but they arent afraid to just get up and let loose and be themselves, thats what makes them the most fun/better dancers in my opinion. at my school the reason why everybody says white people cant dance is because when we have school dances or performances the black kids are the ones first up and groovin it out while literally 90% of the white people are just sitting on the sidelines watching the others, while talking to there friends or sittin looking bored. i have a black friend pretty much in all my classes who is quite quiet compared to most of the black people in my school (Edit: sorry, dont take thisthe wrong way) but once the music hits shes this bubbly, happy chick who just SHINES. maybe if white people would jus chuck all insecurities or what they think others will say about them out of their minds then maybe they wont be stereotyped like that all the time. when i first started dancing i used to feel like i could dance, but i just couldnt at the same time (if that makes sense),i remember when i would jump into a dance circle and start popping in front of everybody and id hear some cheers, but then my friend (Who is black) would come in and do the EXACT same moves i did but get a bigger reaction, i always wondered why, another time i was in a circle i was doing moves i had practised for literally like a year for and then some punk comes in jus clapping his hands, stepping side to side and everybody went wild, feeling frustrated i began learning from and hanging out with more of these guys and they taught me alot. one of the most important things i found out about dancing from them is not what you do, its how you do it. me an that first guy were doing the exact same dance but why was it that his just seemed better?
It's because he danced with soul, SOUL. this has become like a keyword for me, Black people just have that certain something that makes them so fun to be around, and thats Soul, they could be doing the simplest thing like clapping their hands and stepping side to side, but make it look so cool just by smiling or movin their head. I dont know how to explain but its just something they have.
me being asian i like to argue that asians own the dancing world lol but if youd want a true answer id have to say Black people will always be the best dancers IMO, Breakdancing(Bboying), Popping, Locking, Housing, Rocking these people are so creative.
Like right now im watching the Red Bull BC One 2010 World Breakdancing Final between B-Boy Neguin and B-Boy Just Do It a black guy and a white guy. why did that black dude win? because his moves just seem more fluent and have that certain energy to them.
anyway everybody should be able to do anything reguardless of race or skin colour.
so yeh
PS- Asians FTW!!!!!!! lol
What this demonstrates to me
What this demonstrates to me is how much black music dominates music and dance in the states. In the UK this is not so much the case apart from some clubs, especially those aimed at 'mainstream' young people. Many more smaller more specialist clubs play a wider range of music, often more complex and diverse lyrically than r&b music. White people are better at dancing to white music than black music and, importantly, vice versa. Perhaps black people never realise it because they never try dancing to good white music (not White music trying to be black). to dress up this narrow minded piece as an 'essay' is akin to the racial steroetyping that black people were subjected to in the (hateful) past. Black people are stupid, White people can't dance? You should know better.
Thank you. I find this helpful.
Thank you for sharing your story, Shayna. I came across this article because I was looking for articles about the politics of race and dance. See, I have a strong desire to dance and to dance with other people, but I feel lost on how to go about it, simply because I don't know what I don't know. I feel that my urge to dance is a need to be involved in conversation with other people. I felt my experiences validated and my perspective on them expanded when I read your article, in the way you articulated that dance is communication and that the body is a source of knowledge, as well as how you explain that the oppressive system of racism exists on the dance floor, just like everywhere else. Having white privilege, my biggest concerns about learning dance is how not to culturally appropriate and how to walk the line of trying to build community and allyships without perpetuating oppressive systems. I find your article really helpful. Thank you again for generously sharing your experiences. -Nat
White people dancing
I'm a White person. I've played R&B and funk keyboards for over 25 years, sometimes professionally. I live for the rhythm and love to dance. I don't do any of the rude things you enumerated, at least not consciously and my dancing and rhythm evolved and got better over the years. Because I dancwe for fun (as opposed to playing keyboards), I never leared to dance - not the electric slide or salsa. When I do steps consciously I'll have to practice a lot more. Nonetheless, rhythm is my life regardless of my color and I'm sure some people won't like that I'm doing this - but it's been my life and I really feel that, at this point, I have no choice. I'm sorry people treated you crummy on the dance floor. As far as touching without approval, I've seen men of both races do that.
Whites and Blacks are NOT equal
Your whining on this post just proves the point. This isn't racist, this is telling white people to stop stepping into private spaces of people they don't know, stealing everything they have, ignoring when people are upset because you're so white you feel ENTITLED to take everything from every other culture when you've already taken so damn much.
Whites and Blacks are NOT equal. Anyone who is treating this as "bawww, racist" obviously isn't smart enough to realize this basic fundamental of life in America. No, white people. Black people don't have to invite you to their black spaces. You know what? Because EVERY space is white space. Every space that black people haven't fought tooth and nail to claim for themselves is a white space, in which if black people don't conform, they are ridiculed, mocked, and treated like the utmost of garbage.
Only freaking white people are blind enough to ignore the row of catering-to-whites-only clubs, enter the only black club on the block, and then have the balls to complain that the black club was "too black" and not to their liking.
This is ridiculous and
This is ridiculous and ignorant. White people can dance. If a black person came to my ballet class I would not say this is our culture and ignore them. There are many wonderful black ballerinas and many wonderful white hip-hop dancers. The ties that unite us are greater than the ties that divide.If this essay was written from a white person and directed to blacks there would be a huge uproar screaming racism. It was rude,immature and arrogant to ignore the white girl that was trying to have fun, learn and join in. When will this bull shit end. I do not think there will be segregation of the races in heaven.
Yes, white people can dance
Yes, white people can dance just fine. With other white people.
But the point of the essay is that there are rules that black people use when dancing, and white people don't even realize they're breaking them--they just step all over black dancing rules and black personal space and into black conversation says without even stopping to excuse themselves. This is largely ignorance, and not intentional (except for the slimebag humping guy). The white people don't know there are rules, and they, like you, are hurt by and react in a hurt fashion when they learn that they've been breaking them all along and being idiotically rude.
The essay is really simply asking you to become aware of the fact that there are rules you don't know, and to take the time to learn them before trying to share the dance floor. Black people can't help but learn white rules; they are swamped with them every day. That's what being the minority means. But white people have to go out and learn black rules, and that means first and foremost acknowledging that they didn't know there WERE rules.
(I am white, by the way, and can't dance worth anything with anybody, white or black. But that's largely being insecure about my body and my clutziness.)
im mexican and i have never
im mexican and i have never noticed any of these dancefloor rules. am i an ignorant also?
also this essay seems full of emotion and comes off as unintentionally racist... very racist
*about me: im whitewashed, racist, educated and a social idiot*
What a racist, bigoted,
What a racist, bigoted, ignorant article and post.
Black people do NOT have some secret language in dance that white people do not get. You can either dance or you cannot, irrespective of race.
Black people do not have some 'gift' of dance, and to suggest so is stupid.
There might be an undercurrent of racism where you live, but in london black clubs, a white man would not dare step foot inside for fear of being stabbed, whether they can dance or not.
You are pathetic for writing this post, as, honestly, it comes across as paranoid ranting from a person with a chip on there shoulder. Grow up.
Since when?
When did dancing become a 'black only' event that white people should not attempt, and what gives the author the idea that dancing is owned by blacks?
Um, read it again? No use in
Um, read it again?
No use in being offended, not once did the author suggest that dancing was a black only thing. They did suggest, however, that cultural differences lead people to make mistakes such as encroaching on other's space and disregarding certain rules due to ignorance.
I think you miss the point of
I think you miss the point of the article. There was even a very long intro explaining how she's not saying "White people can't dance". She means in the context of body language + culture + physical expression.
"It was rude,immature and arrogant to ignore the white girl that was trying to have fun, learn and join in."
Why do you feel this way? Why is it anyone's job to teach the white girl anything? It's their choice and from the description the white girl was more interested in disrupting and getting attention than learning the dance. There were plenty of times I was not familiar with a dance but I sat on the sidelines trying to observe & learn FIRST before I evaded someone's space. I didn't assume someone would teach me and that they had the obligation to teach me.
Very immature, self-pitying
Very immature, self-pitying post. The majority of people in cheesy clubs, black or white, are awful dancers.
I'm a good, rhythmic, fluid dancer (and white), and the oblivious drunkards on the dancefloor are the bane of my life. The real problem is promoters not getting them off the floor and keeping them off.
However, to turn this into a long-winded racial crusade is narcissistic and misses the point that the interlopers are drunk, and brought up in a culture where dance is absent, or looked on as effeminate/stupid.
Punching a poster of a white man because a white guy lurched through your space in a club? Please turn off the victim switch, and realise that not every transgression against your person has a racial angle.
Stop saying this piece isn't
Stop saying this piece isn't racist. I think it's a practical, insightful, valuable piece; but it IS racist. You can't just say ALL white people ruin your dancing. Fuck that.
Please Read Fully
When I was in high school I took an AP history class. The very first day the teacher told all of us that we cannot read a piece of writing one time and hope to understand what it is saying. He told us that we had to read a paper (or chapter or book) at least 3 times before we could really get what the piece was saying as well as commit the information to memory.
I see a lot of people on here yelling racist, screaming that "Yes, white people can dance and you are just ignorant for saying otherwise!" and all sorts of other things that just doesn't make any sense. It's obvious that these people didn't read deeply enough or didn't understand what the author of the post was really saying or talking about. (In fact, she even states clearly that she was painting the picture with broad strokes and not every person fell into the generalized categories she set up).
Before you jump on the keyboard and rampage in the comments section, I encourage you to step away from the computer and then come back and read the article again and maybe you will understand that she is not attacking anyone but sharing her viewpoint about race relations in America.
Race relations in America is not the same as they are in other countries. Or maybe they are but with different ethnic or religious groups. In some parts of the world it is the gypsies who are treated like second class citizens and for other countries it's the Muslims that are getting shanked. But it's the same dynamic that plays out with a dominant privileged culture disregarding (or minimizing) the wants, needs, and sensitivities of other cultures it deems inferior, irrelevant, or insignificant.
I agree that in America we are trapped in a bubble that slowly suffocating all of us and the only way we are going to get out of it is by walking together in the right direction. But that can only happen if people take the time to really understand what the other person is trying to communicate before jumping on the attack.
Anyway, that's all I wanted to say. I don't agree with everything you have written Shayna but I understand the gist of it. I also agree with others who say that sometimes we need to reach out and offer to teach others how to dance (communicate) because that is the only way people of any color or stripe will learn how to interact with others outside of their social group.
As for me, I'm a mutt :)
white people have a more
white people have a more variety of dance
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_7CgUszTKy0
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EXFiFg2GX6w
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WgSO_mouCaM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=W22gpBv00gg
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=emCIxAJCe2g
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DzmhV7JXvO8
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ydRjBbWszsk
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bXhQNRsH3uc
while blacks dance tend to be nothing more then dry humping
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dCNoz26oRrs
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DKkBkU81Rf0
white culture dancing is art, black dance is sexual
wow, ignorance
I actually went to some of those links and the scottish dance, the russian dance and the waltz are all almost like a form of ballet. First of all, Tango comes from Argentina, and the tapdance comes from African slaves, the riverdance videos were nothing but a form of tapdance as well. Im just as bad as you for even acknowledging your ignorant post but i felt that if someone out there really is as ignorant as you, that i should at least educate you some. Im not black i`m actually latino and i can totally understand the writer of this article. So before you start making racist comments about cultural dance learn the history first. And yes, alot of the hip hop and reggae dances are very sexual, perhaps you could take some pointers, cause ya probably dont know how to fuck. Who said that a sexual dance cant be artistic by the way? open your mind ya peanut head bastard. Youre probably the doofy ass white person who came up to the dancefloor and started actin a fool. Think about this, even in all those videos you posted up there, all those white people were trained to dance the way they did(which some was a joke by the way) but in the vids with black people dancing, they were just average people who just knew how to dance and didnt rehearse as much, it was just natural. In my experience with the white people i`ve met and seen, dancing has to be very cerebral and thats the only way they pick it up and even after they learn it, its still lacks much flow and naturality. The only dance that i really admire that i think derives from white people is ballet because to be a good ballet dancer one must have balance, dicipline, focus, grace and stamina. Anyway, im a natural dancer because luckily i grew up doing it and its in my blood.
concert dance and folk/social dance are two different things
The argument is ridiculous. This is a discussion about social dance in a club and not about ALL types of dance. MOST white people cannot do the dances that are "art". There are also many black people that also do "artful" dance.
Wow
This is pretty hateful. I grew up overseas and people treated me differently because I was foreign and multiracial but looking for hate is not the way to address the problem. That pinching jackass, for example, probably pinched white woman too.
You are part of the problem, not the solution. Your post doesn't spread the message of MLK or Ghandi.
Yes!
Wow, wow, WOW, the racist and downright naive comments that this post has racked up to this point.
1. "I'm a white person but I don't act white, I swear!" -- Yes, you do. White_You is a racial being. Own it. Deal with it.
2. "How dare you! Blacks are mean and RACIST!" -- No, folks of color deal with this tripe every day. You are using diversionary tactics so you can put your thumbs in your ears and yell, "nya nya, can't hear you!"
3. Listen to the woman! If the bouncer of every night club passed this out as a flyer (required reading before entering) all of my fellow white people would be that much the less ignorant for it.
4. To Serendip - *Thank you* for taking the time to share your valuable insights. Roger that. And sorry white people messed up your night -- That sucks.
It's not racist at all
I've found that white people (as a general rule) tend to be highly disrespectful of other people/cultures. Part of this article is focused on the fact that this lack of respect shows through in almost everything they do. I'd like to see a person of color cut in between a dancing white couple etc., they would get VERY upset. Basically this makes a lot of whites racist hypocrites of the worst kind; they can dish it out but they can't take it. I find it delightful to poke holes in their overinflated egos by reminding them that they are not 'massa' anymore and that their less-than-perfect history proves that they really are no better than anyone else. If you want to see just how bad their superiority complex really is, just tell a white person "NO" when they make an unreasonable request or 'politely' order them to do something and watch their expression.
I LOVED YOUR COMMENT SO GOD
I LOVED YOUR COMMENT SO GOD DAM TRUE!
Whites have no problem
Whites have no problem respecting (although not always accepting) other people's cultures. It's when they are shoved into our faces in our homelands, do we feel annoyance - but this isn't an unusual notion. Imagine how throngs of Mexicans invading predominately black areas would go over. Do you suppose the blacks would rush to "embrace" Latino culture? I didn't think so.
As far as the "cutting in" between a white couple...I can imagine this happening, and the White couple not saying a word. Don't want to appear "racist". But reverse the scenario: a White man "cutting in" to a dancing black couple. Well THAT wouldn't happen but if it DID happen, their would be a mini-riot breaking oout. We KNOW "you people".
No, we are not "Massa" anymore...unless you want to gauge our accomplishments without the help of blacks compared to the accomplishments of blacks without the help of Whites. If you want to examine the hard truth in that respect, plant an African flag next to the American one on the Moon.
Massa has been waiting for black company up there since 1969.
homeland?
If you judge people by "achievements," then I hope that you never are down in the dumps, unemployed, fail at something in your life, because for sure there will be people that judge you as "less" than they are or as a "loser" and maybe you won't enjoy or appreciate that.
I would like to know, what do you consider to be white people's "homeland?" It surely is not the U.S.A. or any part of the Americas, or Australia either. Europeans did not arrive here and start settling until 1492. And although I'm sure there were some who respected the natives that were here, history tells us, and the amount of native peoples still left in the Americas, that that was not largely the case. Europeans' (or white people) homeland was Europe. So please tell me when Africans en masse have ever shoved their culture (your words) in European's faces in Europe? Actually it was the other way around. Europeans went to Africa and invaded, went to Asia and went to the Americas and shoved their culture (and religion) onto the people living there.
Now I personally do not consider any white person today responsible for atrocities and suffering that was committed over the last 500 years. I think that each person is responsible for their own actions and not that of their forefathers (or mothers). But I had to bring this up because what you wrote about homeland and shoving culture onto people makes no historical sense.
And since you brought up space travel, if and when extraterrestrials eventually come to earth, we will all see how much of a difference all of our cultures and skin colors make. At this rate that's what it's going to take for people to start realizing that we may have cultural differences, worship different gods, speak different languages, look different, but in the end we are all human beings--one race on earth.
Homeland!
"I would like to know, what do you consider to be white people's "homeland?""
Not only Europe but the "U.S.A." (notice I did NOT say "America)"Canada" and "Australia".
Why can I say this? I thought I made it quite clear: throughout recorded history it is evident that tribes compete for land, food and other resources to ensure the survival of their tribe - to ensure the successful perpetuation of their specific genetic code. This has always been effected by war; one group sees another group as an obstacle in the way of survival and they either attack, conquer and kill the competing tribe or face the same.
The White Europeans were no different. They saw a land ripe with resources and competing tribes standing in their way. The attacked, conquered and (stupidly) failed to kill off the defenders. They (stupidly) brought African slaves to do the menial work necessary in building this nation and when the winds of change compelled them to cease chattel slavery, they (VERY stupidly) failed to repatriate the African back to his homeland or kill him off.
Eventually, they met in Philadelphia and formulated the plan for a more perfect Union...for themselves and THEIR posterity (see the Preamble to the Constitution) ... and all was well.
Well, not quite. A certain tribe that 'appeared' to be White had embedded itself into the levers of power and began to sow the seeds of the new nation's destruction. We feel the effects of this tribe today.
"Australia" was a bit different; penal colony that morphed into a White nation, they (stupidly) failed to kill off the Aborigines and now the same difficulties besetting the USA are affecting Oz.
I think if extra-terrestrials ever make their presence on this Earth known, they will likely attack, attempt to conquer and kill ALL forms of humanity to exploit the resources of the planet.
Some tribes will unleash state-of-the-art technological weaponry to counter this attack. Others will throw sticks, stones and set their homes on fire.
Homeland! LOL
Thank you for your response to this article. I for one did not agree with the tone of this article. However, I was somewhat intrigued by your comment; “I thought I made it quite clear: throughout recorded history it is evident that tribes compete for land, food and other resources to ensure the survival of their tribe - to ensure the successful perpetuation of their specific genetic code” and was compelled to respond.
First of all I would like to ask you a few cheeky rhetorical questions. Do you honestly believe in the above statement? Why? Well, where do I start?
No. 1 If you truly believe in survival of the fittest, why haven’t you topped yourself. The sheer fact that you took time out of your important/blissful schedule to respond to this article tells us that you don’t fall into this category.
No. 2 Why aren’t you out overseas stealing new lands for your master race instead of doing point number 1?
No. 3 Why complain about a race allegedly far smarter than your own, a race that was able to basically infiltrate and dismantle your master plans for a new European utopia? LOL Sorry that part always makes me laugh. Trust me when you get older you’ll look back at your comments and laugh or cry.
Also, complaining about the third point contradicts your ethos of a dog it dog world. And every time you hear on the news that some nut-jobs flew a plane into a building or some kid shoots up a school or someone sliced your siblings into Cinderella all in the name of survival, you should smile/celebrate because that’s the world YOU aspire to. Your response does nothing but perpetuate a negative stereo type, that people in the USA are stupid.
Before I go, I have another twist on your “Alien fantasy story”.
My version:
I think if extra-terrestrials ever make their presence on this Earth known, they will likely attack, attempt to conquer and kill ALL forms of humanity to exploit the resources of the planet.
One tribe finally realised united we stand and divided we fall, whilst other tribes opted for extermination by the Aliens to escape the delirious first tribe.
All fun and games aside, you sound like a very sad person and I think you should seek professional help before you hurt yourself. Feel free to contact me and I’ll take you out and introduce you to some good people. Life’s not all blood and war.
Peace
What a bunch of self
What a bunch of self indulgent nonsense.
many people missed the point
I read the entire article and I liked it. I don't think it was racist. I have grown up in the U.S. and although I am multi-racial in background and do not look African-American I was raised African-American. My parents consider themselves black and they look it. Anyway, for me, it has always been strange that the white people I knew in college and beyond, had a completely different way of viewing dance. This is reflected in some of the responses to the article. When I was growing up every time there was a family gathering, everybody (children to grandpas) got up and danced. We'd have dance contests sometimes too, or just dance. Nobody was drunk either. It was a given that you knew how to dance from a very young age and you did not feel intimidated to do so. This was part of our culture. I know that this is also a part of African culture, many latino cultures, indigenous and some middle eastern cultures too. I know many white people in the U.S. (although not ALL of course) that will not dance in public unless they have had several drinks. They are too intimidated. Dancing was not part of their growing up or social interaction unless alcohol was involved. If you say "party" to black or latino people, then you expect there to be music and dancing. If you say that to white people, their might be music but probably there is no dancing. I have been to tons of parties given by white folks and we stood around and talked and ate and drank.
While I understand the
While I understand the frustration conveyed in the article, I feel that several of the complaints lack real justification. Firstly, I do agree with the concept of dance as a language; in most dances that originate outside of Western culture, the movements are learned not merely as a physical vocabulary, but as a way to convey meaning to the audience or fellow dancers. Whether this meaning is literal and static for each movement, or more transient, depends upon the dance. Forms such as hula, middle eastern etc. are all used by the dancer to communicate, whether this is an understood 'story' or simply emotion, depends largely upon the dancer his/herself. The problems with 'outsiders' misunderstanding and/or disrespecting a dance form are not limited to the general 'white' perception of African-American dance, instructors of belly dance classes see such disrespect all the time (most commonly the misconception that it is somehow about sex, and requires little more than 'wiggling'). However, I must disagree that we are dealing with an issue of racism in the white response. Rather, I feel it is a misunderstanding that many have about what this 'language' truly is. The author is spot on to say that dance itself is a form of communication, but fails to pinpoint who does and does not understand it, and why. Dance, I have always felt, is not a language understood by any particular race, rather, it is a language of the soul. Some are born with the ability to speak it(white, black, asian, whatever), others are not so blessed, and must apply themselves to learn not only the vocabulary, but the proper usage. That certain people seem never to acquire a true fluidity of movement or oneness with the music, is perhaps due only to the fact that they lack an innate connection between mind and body. Just as some are born (regardless of race or gender) more naturally talented at science or mathematics, and others with a talent for writing or art, so it is with dance. I am possibly as white as they come (though my mother was Italian, she would be the first to say she has no rhythm whatsoever, and my father's ancestors were Welsh Puritans), yet I and one of my brothers were born with an ability to move with music as though it played from within, an inborn comprehension of the language(our other siblings can't/won't dance).
That said, I can fully understand the frustration and disgust at the others in the club. However, I would point out that clubs are, in general, a terrible place to make judgments on anyone (whether it be their dancing capabilities or the motivations behind certain actions); people at clubs are drunk, frequently out of control, and tend to say and do whatever appeals to them at the moment, no matter how unlikely they would be to say it in their day to day lives. What the author took as racism or disrespect for culture, was perhaps only a drunk girl's inability to say anything polite, a white boy's revolting disrespect for women in general, and the fact that, when you're in a club, it's crowded, and people, self-centered creatures that we are, tend to trample each other. I've only been to a few dance clubs, but they always seem to have the same atmosphere, and it is not a place I would take my tribal group to have a 'conversation', unless we had been invited specifically to perform. A conversation that is personal and important can be had anywhere, anytime, without the detraction of an unappreciative audience.
In addition, I feel as though the author moved onto a tangent that played against her earlier argument for cultural respect and language when she broached the idea of using English Ebonics to write a paper, or to write a poem in place of the paper. As a graduate student in Medieval Lit, I feel she has unknowingly shown the very lack of respect she urges others to have. One must understand that the English language, as used in college level courses in that department (freshman expos/writing for example) is an art form in and of itself. The ability to write, and do so in a flowing, musical style, is a part of Western culture that many cherish. If I a student disputed a low grade because I had marked down due to the usage of a particular dialect, I would point out that I would not have accepted any attempt to use non-standard English in the essay. Also, as it was a writing course, an essay, written in standard, grammatically correct English was required, no exceptions. We must all take courses we dislike, I was quite near to holding a protest at the idea of taking Biochemistry, which I despise with a passion, but it was required, and so I complied with the guidelines set out by the professor. If the language of dance must be respected, its vocabulary used correctly, then so must any language (English, French, Spanish, Chinese, German, Japanese, Italian) or cultural art form. To me, it would be as if a student who did not speak English as a first language wished to write their paper in their native language instead, an unreasonable request, as the purpose of taking an English writing course is to learn how to write in the style accepted by scholars in that subject.
Now, as to racism in our culture in general, and the concept of guilt. I have felt for some time now that our society's leaders have perhaps unwittingly emphasized the idea of race, even as they claim to try to blur those lines. As someone else mentioned, there is frequently a sense that the majority should feel guilt, and speak and act with caution around minority groups, which is absurd, as the current population were neither the perpetrators, or the direct victims, of the original racist atrocities committed. Americans today deserve neither feelings of guilt, nor greater respect for their culture than any other. We are Americans now (not tomorrow, or ten years from now) not because our races are separate or blended, but because we choose to believe ourselves so. Immigrants who arrive today, treasuring our heritage of rebellion and pursuit of freedom, are no less American than those whose ancestors arrived in 1631. We do not need to become the melting pot, we already are. I truly believe people my age are, in general, race-blind; I don't think race crosses our mind anymore than whether someone is blond, brunette, or red-headed. It may be found in isolated pockets of society, but it is not a general rule. To become angry with "white people" based upon the behavior of a select few (in a very unflattering condition) is rather like choosing to despise all those of Irish descent because an Irish guy once insulted you, it's illogical in the extreme.
To the author, I would say, offer to teach the language of your dance to others, welcome them in, be patient as they learn, and open yourself to learn and respect what they hold dear as well. It is always tempting to be possessive of something held dear, but if we truly love something and wish others to respect it, we must desire others to love it as well.
Contradicting much?
I thought it was a pretty decent article until she started contradicting herself completely. #1. when she says she doesnt want to categorize white and black people, but then does exactly so in the entire article and #2. she says she wants black and white people to dance together/side by side but when white people tried to join the black people at this club they were completely frozen out and ignored. theyre trying to mix, arent they?? in the end, she sounds more racist than the people she is accusing...
Low-life
why the hell would someone wanna talk about crap like this??? and BTW blacks and whites cant dance, Asians are the best have u seen the ABDC Champions?
You say at the beginning of
You say at the beginning of the article that you're not going to lump all black and white people together. But you do exactly that all the way through, its all "whites do this" and "blacks do this". The problem is that people aren't just "black" or "white". Hell, seems a bit racist - you seem to be saying that there's two big distinctions in America, black and white, and that they have to adapt to one another's culture. Things aren't quite simple like that. And then, near the end, you talk about some "white guy" being a dick and humping your leg or whatever, and apparently that was a case of racism, or whites misinterpreting black culture or whatever, and that would never happen between two blacks. No. It was just some guy being an asshole. If you're going portray it as something, portray it as sexism, or just some guy being a complete and utter asshole. You get them everywhere. I'm white, but I still manage to dance with a beat with whites and blacks. I get annoyed when I don't have my space as well, like you. I give others space. I've never seen any of this so called segregation you seem to be talking about, I can dance with white friends and black friends and my black girlfriend. But, come one, its just dancing. Its just freaking dancing. I look stupid when I do it, and I'm not all that great, I'm sure, but its fun. I mean jeeze, just lighten up and have some fun and stop over thinking it.
Although maybe its just cos I live in England, but I can't imagine it being radically different in the US like you make out, anyway this article just annoyed me.
Racist and not necessarily so
What utter racist nonsense. And for all those times that blacks blatantly disrespect people of other races? I'm betting you feel no bother with that. How would it be taken if you walked out of a club to see a white person kicking and punching a poster of a black man? If a white does something offensive, it's considered racism. If a black (or other "ethnicity") does the same, it's racial heritage and pride. What it is is hypocrisy, and teaching generations of children to nurture hate in their hearts.
My preferred medium of dance is tribal fusion bellydance, and other than one notable dancer - Ebony - most black belly dancers are terrible when compared with white dancers, graceless, choppy, and clunky. Apparently they don't get the idea of communing with an audience (of mixed races?) to express emotion.
Sorry, you lost me when you
Sorry, you lost me when you started categorizing "black american" or "club" dancing as some desirable thing. All people look like complete idiots when they dance. The whole perception of black people being able to dance and white people not being able to comes more from the fact that whites have historically only allowed blacks to hold certain positions in society (a la Booker T Washington's misguided nonsense), predominantly in the entertainment industry. As with any group forced into/limited to certain strict avenues for "success", blacks have come to dominate a good percentage of that industry, dance, in particular, because it is a self-"taught" "skill" that offers people can't be excluded from developing. The point is, nobody dances "right" or "cool". Everyone looks stupid dancing and besides certain very limited benefits of release of (if you want to stretch) "expression", it is a completely ridiculous thing in general. So couple the fact that the examples of dancing you see out there are overwhelmingly in one style from one group (which has become known to be "better" at it) with the whole trend towards clubs in cities (which is, at best, on the level of the average middle school dance in terms of societal value, development, and even socializing, but then sprinkle in a buch of drugs and booze and people with nothing better to do than hang out in a dark room with terrible music at 4 AM, big surprise people get shot at clubs...oops i digress) and there you have it. Not the most well worded response but i do have other things to do.
Look at it this way: even the most universally accepted style, norm, or tradition will look out of place when moved to a different time or culture. It's all about perception. A touchy but somewhat parallel comparison would be how white people feel about people who speak in ebonics. We can't say it's wrong, and as we are forced to observe, it has roots and history of its own, but it just sounds terribly stupid because it's not in line with what how the majority of educated people speak (black or white). Not entirely analogous, but hopefully you get the idea. Now quit dancing around and complaining and go DO something for the world.
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